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Thema: Re: the history of islam full of stunning reports
Nachricht: "believe in unseen is called belief, otherwise a visionable is not belief anymore"
this statement is very flawed, you are mixing up many different concepts.
I think by "belief" you mean faith. I believe in gravity, I believe that the sun will rise tomorrow, I believe in myself and my family..
all those things have evidence to support them, and I have good reasons to believe in them.
what I don't have, and refuse to have is faith, the belief in something that has no evidence. Your god has no evidence, the hindu gods have no evidence. You said that the sun, the rain, the birds.. are evidence for your god, but the hindu, the mormon, the pagan,.. they all can say the same, every holy book says that its god created everything, not only the quran.
"paul heard devil sound just like guru nanak, and ghulam ahmad heard."
again, you keep asserting things without any evidence, how do you know that? how do you know muhammad didn't hear devil sounds?
Let me give you an example, let's say two people came to you, A and B.
they each give you an identical ownership contract of the same house, signed by the same person C who is now dead, each one claims to have bought the house from C a month ago, but the other person stole the contract and made a forgery.
A tells you that B is a liar and that C sold him the house in front of A's family who support his claim.
B tells you that A is a liar and that C sold him the house in front of B's family who support his claim.
which one do you believe? why?
this statement is very flawed, you are mixing up many different concepts.
I think by "belief" you mean faith. I believe in gravity, I believe that the sun will rise tomorrow, I believe in myself and my family..
all those things have evidence to support them, and I have good reasons to believe in them.
what I don't have, and refuse to have is faith, the belief in something that has no evidence. Your god has no evidence, the hindu gods have no evidence. You said that the sun, the rain, the birds.. are evidence for your god, but the hindu, the mormon, the pagan,.. they all can say the same, every holy book says that its god created everything, not only the quran.
"paul heard devil sound just like guru nanak, and ghulam ahmad heard."
again, you keep asserting things without any evidence, how do you know that? how do you know muhammad didn't hear devil sounds?
Let me give you an example, let's say two people came to you, A and B.
they each give you an identical ownership contract of the same house, signed by the same person C who is now dead, each one claims to have bought the house from C a month ago, but the other person stole the contract and made a forgery.
A tells you that B is a liar and that C sold him the house in front of A's family who support his claim.
B tells you that A is a liar and that C sold him the house in front of B's family who support his claim.
which one do you believe? why?
jesus
atheists tend to request childish proof by saying i want to see God. pathetic thumbs down. God wont appear and say hoplah, yuhuu, i am here. This world is not the place to see God, it is in Heaven. everyone able to see the face of God in paradise, directly.
atheists tend to request childish proof by saying i want to see God. pathetic thumbs down. God wont appear and say hoplah, yuhuu, i am here. This world is not the place to see God, it is in Heaven. everyone able to see the face of God in paradise, directly.
how do i know paul and prophjet muhammad bla bla bla? by book, reflection, and analizying.
i dont believe A B C but i believe the fact, history, scientific books, contemplation books and miracles.
very easy.
the truth is very clear, but people too lazy to seek it.
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