From: Cajunboy

Subject: Koran

Message: Hi
You recently noted: (can any one find a single mistaken in quran? nope
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/Defau…

That's probably because not many outside of Muslims are interested enough to want to dissect it...Not many of the contradictions of the Christian Bible are substantiated either, and most are misunderstood...But God still always knows what he commands...Remember, he has written them in our hearts...And while the Israelites may have been his Chosen People, they were some of the more corrupted souls and many of them are engaged in Hell as we speak, because God does not waiver.

Response:

actually it is easy to find in google. anyone can easyly search it.

Are you familiar with or have had experience with 'darkness'? 

For 30 years now, my wife and I have been

training to fight witchcraft. Just this year as I was cleaning my bamboo, I noticed

that a cross was put amont them. It was about 5 feet high and had a dummy on it

wearing a devils hat. It turned out to be our neighbors. When I was doing the roof I had a rope to support me, When I went to pull on the rope, I received a

message in my mind, DON'T do it!!! I have been training all my life with weights, springs, Yoga and many other exercises and although I am 65 I am capable of

acrobatic stunts. Before I went to grab the rope, I heard my neighbodr saying,

have a good fall. I hear them cursing me everyday, and I have been blessing them

for the Lord commands this in the Good Message. Jesus commanded His followers to return 'good for evil'.  Apostle Paul said the same.

 

     I noticed many people hiding in cars or behind trees taking my picture and so on.

     ONe major experience we had involved taking a mentally handicaped adult

into our home. They used to house them in a place called Woodlands, where

many of them were abused and tortured, this became known to the public.I will

call the man x. The first day in our home, he punched me 5 times in the head before I could even react. He tried to kill my wife. (He was 5' 11", weighed,

165, very fit and in his prime physically).

   WE learned about the witchcraft one night when x came home with the care

worker. My wife noticed that he had shit in his pants in a very major way. He NEVER DID THAT with us.

My

wife asked x about what had happened to him. No one thought he could talk, but he could, in his own way. 

X explained that he was taken to

a wooded area by a group of people dressed in black wearing black hats. He

was put in the centre of the circle and it frightened him to no end that he could not

hold on to his bowel movement. The fight had just started, He became so filled with eveil and drugs that we had to bar our doors at night in order to sleep. I had

a janatoriel business and had to go at 5 a.m. and take him with me. I had to tie

him up. He would break and destroy everythig in sight if he was not watched

closely. The witches who were in charge were thought to be wonderful people!!!

The husbands' name was pook and the wifes' started with S. So, In the phone book you

would read S.pook. ONe weekend at Holloween we knew enough to move him.

We went to a religious retreat. IN the middle of the night he awoke and in a loud

voice said, 'WE'RE in the WRONG PLACE!!!'  Notice, 'we', not his voice. 

     He became a believer in Christ our Saviour. My wife learned what demons

were residing in him,and the list was long. I took him for a walk and asked him if

he was willing to have these demons leave. He agread and I began one at a time

to extricate them in the name of the Lord Jesus. The only one that he had trouble

with was homosexuality, since they were abusing him so much. He finally agreed.

When I took him home he shone like a star and ran into my wifes arms and hugged her. There is lots more, but there is only so much time.

 

We will always remember and dearly love 'x' who showed that

indeed the Lord's ways 'win', and man's ways lose. 

Bye for now,  Roger

response

i ve no any experinces considered as a darkness. or poltergeist (?).

sometimes we are in a wrong belief while we dont really realize it.

moreover most of us so sturborn to reflect.

sometimes we find  inconvenients or convenients case in our life.  

no one of us gets comfortable in our whole life

most of us strive to reach happiness but still not enough

we insist more and more

while the proper happiness in hereafter

If you are interested, the word love is  beautiful when you study the meaning in the Greek. Without the proper guidance, our understanding is tarnished.

    I am the husband, Joy is my jewel. She is a gift from Theos, our boss, we are slaves to Him, willingly with great worship.

    We do not follow the churches for they do not follow the pure agape in the Greek or Love as u know it to mean of the Lord our

Savior. My name is Roger. I know that Jesus is the True God for

me. The miracles began in our lives only when we went to HIm for our needs. I have saved my wifes life 5 times. I have been threatend with car accidents and many incidenrts trying to kill me and so on so many times that it has become an expectation. i know that I am worshiping the True God because I should be dead. 30 years ago i could not climb a ladder. Last year, at the age of 65 I reroofed my 8 bedroom house with the bigest pitch in

my area. Someone who hates our belief cut the rope that I wAS

USING TO Secure myself. He is now very afraid of me, I will not hurt him , he does not know what he is doing. If you would

like to know more about our exciting Life, please tell us.

Response:

I think all of us have several miracles experiences, they could be saved from death or got achievements.

but your life sound stunning and colorful.

yah, we worship different Lord.

but at the end we will back to the same Lord.

 

What I like is no war.  War is so destructive.  Think of all

the nice places, and our belief in bible is satan likes to

destroy, wants people to fight, hurt, kill, show bad

things.

 

I'm not sure Muslims realize or understand what we

mean when we say 'love', because a lot of Christians

don't know either....oh, it gets so complicated!!!!

 

But the real love combines a respect, a consideration,

a caring, and mostly a learning for what I call

forbearance, or to put up with.

 

And we have a 'new spirit', but we have an 'old spirit',

so it's like switching from 'old' to 'new'.  So, we have

to become 'dead'. 

 

Once we are dead to old ways, 'uncung??', then

anyone can kill us (if the Lord wants this for us),

and we have already died before this to all the

old ways.

 

All that is left is the body which will of course feel pain,

but no thinking about it, no bad stuff.

 

This is how I can not be afraid.  Although I never

did have much use for fear generally.  I always

thought this was not living, to live afraid.

 

Did you check Vancouver for pictures online?

But remember that the weather isn't like that

all that much.  It's often cold, rainy, windy,

dark, and then it doesn't look good.

 

Are you originally from Iran?  I had a student

dentist from Iran who told me what happened

to him, and I'll tell you if you want next time.

Bye for now.

 

p.s. suggest you stay away from atheist 'friend'

     because they are actually hurtful to your

peace.  To argue, argue, is so harmful.  Then

hard to pray. 

Joy

Response:

world since created growth along with war. human. 

Love counters war. just like fire is quenched by water.

spread love more.

yes the view in the link so wonderful. i know the favour weather available only in summer. but of course people enjoy the windy as well and at the winter they play jet ski like u said.

atheists around me, but i enjoy it, since we respect each other. i have really no problem with them. we are human basicly.

Love:

I live near Vancouver.  You can google it to see

pictures.  But the pictures are always when

it is sunny.  Often NOT sunny, but raining,

and can be COLD.  Cold and raining.

but if sunny, oh, so beautiful then. 

We like to take what is called Skytrain, which

is rapid transit and it goes many places.

We like to go to what is called the

7 Sails (you can see it online) and it

has a beautiful view of Stanley Park.

We can go there also, and live able

to go to the sea sometimes, if not

raining and cold, often raining and cold.

Blaahhh. 

  Many people in Vancouver like to do

good things like hiking, rock climbing,

biking, canoeing and many other things.

We like to play some frisbee.  You know

frisbee?  Frisbee if you don't know it is

throwing a round plastic disk and seeing

how you can send it to the other person.

This is a good exercise, but can be

easy or hard.  If men play, it is hard,

and fast, very good.  But can be for

women, then slow and easy, also good.

We like to go out for coffee and have talks

together, and read a book.  We are very

quiet, don't like 'loud'.  We listen to very

peaceful music.  Again, don't like loud or

noisy.  We never did or do drugs.  Drugs

very bad for brain, but sad...many people

do drugs. 

We understand that many people don't know God

so very sad, so do drugs.  But those people

don't want God.  Many atheists, many

agnostics (ie. 'Who cares??), so then not good.

I remember 'schnell' in German.  But would

need a book to help me, slow going I think

just like you for the English...

your English better.

I can write so easier for you.  No problem to me. 

Many Christians think beer and wine is wrong.

I think Islam also.  But Jesus did drink wine.

They likely did not have beer because for

beer they needed other things.  No one should

drink too much.  I make wine and beer.

I used to make dandelion wine...very good

for you.  Dandelions...you know this?

They grow everywhere and so good for you?

You know this?  Leaves so good for you,

flowers, roots, all good. 

Well, nice talking, will rest.  I think different

time for Germany.  I sleep when I sleep

but soon sleep.

Bye now.  

beutiful:

vancouver is in Canada, isnt it? means you are in canada, a nice land and the most wanted place in the world. Peaceful and multiculture.  Young country and have stunning views everywhere.

if i could choose, then i would love to stay in canada and spend my life remain.

the people hang out delightfully in the whole day. 

I think this country is the most problemless.

i love to drink tea instead. it is healthy and considered as verbal.  i love pure nature and bio products, and organic stuff.

nice talking as well. 

be happy and joyful in your life. forever.

    

   

Shatan:

Do you want to understand things? 

 

Who was wrong? Ibliss?  Why?  Want to discuss that from your understanding?

Was Ibliss wrong in refusing to worship only God?  What did Allah do to Ibliss who obeyed Allah, only God should you worship? Think about Ibliss, think about Allah, think about

what Allah did, ask yourself...why?  Unless you are not allowed to question anything.

Now, if that is true, why write??? 

 

I have the answer to Ibliss.  But you write with yours first here.

 

In your religion, do you find that many people don't really know it if they

are asked something?

 

People seem to just believe anything.  We follow what the bible says and what

it does not say.  So we don't make it up.  Satan is not anywhere in the bible

called an angel, you didn't think that, did you?? 

 

It doesn't say that satan was Lucifer, and Lucifer is totally the wrong word.

So people make things up, translators weren't Christian so came up with

a devil meaning, so many people could go wrong.

 

We know why that is.  Think first before you write, think why.  Then write.

You'll know more than you did.  .

Angels:

My religion exlpains everythings regard to life after death and unseen stuff such as iblis, angels, ghost, jiin, shatan, and soul.

all these stuff found in quran and hadith. narrated sophistically and high quality in guarded documentation.

  

Son of Adam:

Thema: Re: Contact you...

Nachricht: Cool... I don't know really what you want to discuss though...I suppose I could ask what you think the difference is between Alla and Jesus....?

true religion:

Allah is the name of God

Jesus was a prophet of God. 

Deceived one:

Hi, and I could show it is a lie.  You will have to live

with your lie.  I feel sad, but I have told you.

There is an amazing site www.angelfall which you won't look at, right?

But we've all been through the universe for a very long time,

and it's all pretty much predetermined where we go, where we stand.

But for some, it's still a little up in the air.

And for those 'Whom Theos foreknew',  that word means He knew

them BEFORE this time, well He is getting them all back.

Well, it's exciting and an exciting time to live in.

Your religion has already begun to threaten me with my life.

But my life is 'HID in CHRIST' so it's already assured, already

a done thing. 

So, as the song says 'What have I to fear?'  do I fear what man

can do unto me?

But you do.  You have to do this.

I wish it were not so.  But perhaps this is your destiny.

Write often so I can tell you more. 

the lucky people:

we tell you the truth just what prophet said. Nor doth he speak of (his own) desire. (3) It is naught save an inspiration that is inspired, (4) Which one of mighty powers hath taught him. falling angel was named Ibless, he was a jiin, not angel. angel created from light, but jiin from fire. for 80.000 years ibless worship Allah, until he became an enemy, due to against prostate before adam.

all of us will go to both: whether paradise or hell. 

avoid judging others without learning. it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you.

the great forgiver:

Thema: Re: In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

Nachricht: ok, you win
you are 10000000000% better than me
you are going to heaven and I am an animal who lives for poop and sex.

have fun in your heaven
bye bye

ummah of rasulullah:

aha, i avoid in my life saying: i am going to heaven or paradise.

during our discussion, i never said: i, myself will go to paradise, it is extremly prohibited.

it is very arrogance.

the better one, saying, the believers will go to paradise.

those who deny worship  Allah, then animals better than them.

i hope i will go to paradise. why not we have hope?

and you also, you suppose go to there. request paradise. dont against it.

bye bye also. have fun in this dirty world. 

Saqar:

Thema: Re: His are the keys of the heavens and the earth

Nachricht: "If there were no atheists , then who would go to hell?"
and why does anyone have to go to hell? can't your twisted god be happy unless someone is being tortured?
people can be good without god, but that all doesn't count if you do not lick his almighty sandals five time a day. enjoy wasting your only life, no matter how strongly you wish it, there won't be another life, just like you won't have a billion dollars even if you read a book about it and believed it with all your heart. having faith in something doesn't make it true.

You clearly do not understand what your quran says. You can parrot it like many people, but you don't know what you're reading. Even the verse YOU quoted "Naught of disaster befalleth in the earth or in yourselves but it is in a Book before we bring it into being" says that allah controls everything and we have no choice. WE BRING IT INTO BEING. but you just won't admit it because you're too cowardly to even think that you could be wrong.

"you fluent in english doesnt mean you are cleverer than me"
If I called you thick-skulled, it's not because you can't speak english, it's because you can't THINK about what you read, or maybe you can, but you just don't want to think.. and that's even worse.
I've been polite throughout our conversation even after you called me an animal twice and accused me of crazy things that you made up, but I guess you don't deserve it.
When you learn how to talk politely to others, then maybe you can convert someone.
Good bye

Firdaus:

yes God tortures people like you. He is very very angry because you deny worship Him. You can be a good guy without religion, but you will go to hell, exactly.

of course you will never be a believer. because you wont!

you already decide it by yourself. just like we choose many choices in our daily life. 

quran is the guidance for all human being not merely for imamm. to everyone, quran talk heart by heart. how could you well  understand  arabic but hardly guided ? i memorize some of surahs, and i know the meaning of them from translation. suppose you get quran better than me.

what make you better than me? while i run many languanges in my daily life? asian, eropah, english, i read quran (arabic), how could i dont know the truth? 

islam, hindu, nazarany, shinto etc, it is very easy to pick one of them and learn it. 

you just lazy to learn. 

i will not polite to those who attach my belief. you may find another polite muslim and fluent english.

but take a look your previous quotes. you insulted my beloved prophet!

i dont want respect things like you, why you call prophet as a liar? and soon?

 insult prophet is a great mistaken in our discussion.

i dont like it. you may insult Allah, but not prophet muhammad. 

i wont a single insulting towards him!!! understand!!!!!!!!!!!??? 

i am not a proper muslim, nor an imamm. but muslim better than atheist, of course 100%better. we have chance to enter Jannatun naim full of joy. otherwise atheists, exactly go to jaheem. very sure 100%.

 you convert or not depend on Allah. even the uncle of prophet Muhammad denied the truth. prophet was a politest guy ever.

you dont need apolite gesture. what you need is a motivation and sincerity. 

bey bey. learn more and more. dont stop seek a truth. try budhism (it is a calm faith, meditation yoga etc, good for you, but bad in here after) for the first, just like many islamic converters did.

Jahannamiun:

Thema: Re: But only men of understanding will pay heed.

Nachricht: Do you even know what you're talking about?
"all atheist today are desperate old religions", really? an atheist is someone who doesn't have a religion, because an atheist doesn't believe in a god, so how can someone who doesn't have a religion be an "old religion"?
At first I thought that your english is bad that's all, but now I'm convinced you don't know the basics about the discussion we're having.

I'll refrain from responding to you calling be an animal because I'm not immature like you.

"But only men of understanding will pay heed."
and that gets us back to the point I couldn't get through your thick skull, if the quran is true,everything is controlled by allah, we have no free will, we don't make decisions, only do what allah chooses for us.
"And you do not will except that Allah wills"
you say only men of understanding will pay heed, but where does that understanding comes from? DON'T answer, allah has already answered this question:
"So whoever Allah wants to guide - He expands his breast to [contain] Islam; and whoever He wants to misguide - He makes his breast tight and constricted" (6:125)
knowledge can only come if allah bestows it upon you
"And that those on whom knowledge has been bestowed may learn that the Qur'an is the truth from thy Lord"(22:54)
"This is the guidance of Allah: He giveth that guidance to whom He pleaseth"(6:88)

so why are you blaming me? if allah guides whom he wants and misguides whom he wants, and gives wisdom to whom he wants, ask him

Mutmainnah:

Yes, Allah creates you as  a kafir. i am glad you enjoy it. If there were no atheists , then who would go to hell?

are you sure your view better than mine?

nope!

i worship Allah otherwise you worship lust!

very different, dude!

Allah let you astray and give you many times therefore you may spend all of your times in sins. So u will leave this world as a kafir.i love it.

do what ever you want to do. you are not my family nor my parents.

so i dont need to cry when you sent down to the hell Hawiyah and live there forever ((((((ever)))))). you will be flung to the great Fire (12) Wherein you will neither die nor live.

you talk about taqdir, everything is already known by Allah before they created. Naught of disaster befalleth in the earth or in yourselves but it is in a Book before we bring it into being - Lo! that is easy for Allah - (22) That ye grieve not for the sake of that which hath escaped you, nor yet exult because of that which hath been given. Allah loveth not all prideful boasters. His are the keys of the heavens and the earth, and they who disbelieve the revelations of Allah - such are they who are the losers. you cant run from your destiny. have a nice life as an atheist.  you choose it. you fluent in english doesnt mean you are cleverer than me! 

Hell:

I just realized you don't have any idea at all what the bible teaches.   Who taught you all those lies?   Those people are responsible for this, not you.   If you want to learn what the bible teaches, let us know, if not, don't write.  Hope this is simple.  heaven: I believe in Gospel as  a word from Allah. i dont waste my to time, since i invite human beings to the truth. but if you decide to keep as a christian and believe in your religion densely, then i would stop discuss it.no compulsion in religion. we are free, the right direction is henceforth distinct from error. Andthose who rejecteth false deities and believeth in Allah hath grasped a firm handhold which will never break. Allah is Hearer, Knower.  and i say good bey.

la'natullah alaih:

Thema: Re: lady gaga

Nachricht: What do I have to do with lady gaga? if lady gaga is a bad person that makes me a bad person? why do you keep saying ridiculous things like that?

"how about do sex with mom, with dog, naked on the street in summer, etc?"
again with the crazy accusations, who told you I would do any of these things? how do YOU live? I live just like you, the ONLY difference is that I don't pray. That's the only difference, I don't believe in god, you do. That doesn't mean I like to kill people, do drugs and have crazy sex, these are lies religious leaders tell you to make you think you're better just because you believe an old story.

"but not all goods are right"
What??
name one good thing, one thing that benefits people and does no harm but you think it's wrong.
I'm not continuing this conversation until you start answering my questions.
I spend my time typing these questions and you ignore them and start ranting about allah and paradise.
I'm NOT interested in your paradise until you prove it's real. And you will not prove it's real until you start having a real conversation, you read what I type and respond to it, then I read what you type and respond myself.

I know you want to help me go to heaven, but repeating what you hear from imams and priests will not do it.

I was a christian, I was taught about islam and its teachings. I heard it all before, and I left religion because it's all assertions and tradition.
So, if you want to continue this conversation, answer my question, thanx

Blessed one:

of course we are very different. I worship my creator, and you do nothing. you just live in this world just like all animals. eat, poop and sex, nothing more. Better you do suicide earlier instead of spent alot of time to commit sins and sins. the great sin is you deny Allah, your Creator!

you cant judge base on your desire. you really need a true religion. all atheist today are desperate old religions. we never heard muslims said " i am atheist".

You need paradise in here after not in this dirty world. how stupid you are refuse an ethernal happiness?   

i thought the kafir people only existed in prophet era. but today, in my era, they are really real. 

no wonder hell created, special for things like you.   

all of your retarded questions already well answered. perfectly.

But shatan in your shoulder keeps close your hearth accept the truth.pathetic. 

Fir'aun:

No man can be a founder of Christianity. The Creator, the Lord Jesus is the founder and  He choose his followers and gives instructions on how to follow Him through His Prophets. Christianity began aftere the death of Adam . Adam was lost because he did not repent of his disobediance.

       Paul was the first apostle to be sent to the gentiles after the death of the Lord jesus.Without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness for sin. ONly the Son of God was strong enough and acceptable to the Father for a sacrifice. When muslims die their sins are not forgiven. It is very sad.

 

We perhaps do things differently than many Christian

groups, we think so.

   We do not TRY to convert anyone ourselves.  Theos

(ie. God) is bigger than we are, right?  So we speak to

those who are searching for what we have.

   We know that the bible is not for everyone.  Many

Christians think it is.  It is not for everyone.

   So, we do not speak with atheists...unless they

are searching to know what we know.

   Perhaps this can help you also?? Because you

also like to study, so do we, and atheists just

waste our time.  Your thoughts? 

   The best to you, and thank you for your discussion.

(p.s. are you German?...because this seems German).

 

Joy & Roger

Moses:

the religion of all prophets include adam were Islam. All of them worship same God. It doesnt matter we call Him in our tribal name. 

God sent 124000 prophets to this world. started from adam and the last was Prophet Muhammad.

Paul was not a messenger. He was nothing to do with the first original NAzraniyan.

Namruz:

Thema: Re: mother theresia

Nachricht: "All prostitutes say they are good women"
so all women who say they're good must be prostitutes?

"pious christians, jews, hindu, budha etc will go to paradise as well."
but not atheists?
but you said all those religions were altered and are wrong.
so even if you believe in the wrong god it's still better than not believing in any god?

"how could we consider deeds are good or bad?"
that's easy, anything that harms people is bad, like not allowing women to get an education, molesting little children, having sex slaves, invading cities and killing those who refuse to pay tribute and enslaving their women,..
Military invasions are bad, you are going to a place thousands of miles away from your home to kill people and destroy cities, that's bad.
defending your own home however is not bad, if someone threatens to kill you or your children and you have no other option but to kill him, it's self-defense, it's not the same as running in the streets shooting random people.
We can know good and bad things without a god, how do you think people did that for hundreds of thousands of years since the neanderthals established the first large communities?

"we harm ourself when we against Him"
I'm not against allah, I'm not even convinced that he exists

"Allah doesnt need His creations"
but you said he created us to worship him, so he either
1- needs our worship, making him needy -->not perfect
2- doesn't need our worship and he punishes people for not doing something that is useless

Prayer of Ibrahim:

pious religious people might be go to paradise. but very little. and quran give them a limit.all old religions already altered but doesnt mean Allah closes paradise for them at all. perhaps they dont know islam? but most of them go to hell, excatly!

atheists of course go to hell, all of them without exception, you also. are you ready go to jahannam?

of course you can decide bad and good things, that's why we blessed with brain. but not all goods are right. you list some sins such as molest child (pastors in vatican), kill (USA in afganisthan), etc, they are a real sins. how about a smooth one?

how about do sex with mom, with dog, naked on the street in summer, etc?

good, sin, and other morals standar base on the true religion. not base on our desire.

we worship Him as our Crtator. He decides base on His wisdom.

replace God needs with God commands.  

He doesnt let us die without rewards.

refuse worship is a great sin ever. eventhought you consider your self as a good person. who said you are a good person? why? does lady gaga a good person?none able to decide bad or good PERSON except by God Himself.

He punishes human being in hell base on one's deeds. you may agree or not. but it will be a real situation in hereafter. very exact!

God is not a budhis monk, whom only sits and recites, nammo nammo nammo Budha blesses you nammo nammo nammo!

not, God is not merely a lover but meanwhile a hothead also.

but it is depend on you. deny or accept. 

reflection:

Thema: Re: 8 paradises and 7 hells.124000 prophets. 2 angels Raqib and Atid.

Nachricht: "it is not fair the evil and the decent are not rewarded."
what evil? there are evil people, I know, lots of them, but I asked you, a person who lives a good life helping others and not harming anybody, why does that person go to hell if he does not believe in god?
Don't muslims believe in hasanat? if a person's hasanat are a lot more than his persons wrong doings (sayi'aat), does he go to hell? does god only reward worship and not good deeds?

Patience:

we cant judge people acts properly. All prostitutes say they are good women. even Allah provides 4 hells for bad muslims. pious christians, jews, hindu, budha etc will go to paradise as well.

i believe mother theresia and perhaps nehru WILL be in paradise.

when Caesar Nejuz in ethopia passed away, prophet muhammad Shalat Ghoib from the distance, while Caisar Nejuz was a christian. 

how could we consider deeds are good or bad?

are, for instance, military invation good or bad? and soon.

both very relative. 

we need our worshiping, hakekat-ly, we worship our self when we worship Allah, otherwise we harm ourself when we against Him.

Allah doesnt need His creations. He is a greatest rich. we just a dust in this wide universe.

but, we will be a God in paradise. all angels in paradise will 'worship' us.we dont need Allah anymore in paradise.  it will be over. When the citizen of paradise see Allah's face, immediately they prostrate, but Allah will forbide them, "this is not the place to worship, it is haram at all anymore. you are a king here"

Hell for those who belong goodness less. once i am a good person, but how about today? hell is the acumulative of our bad deeds.   

Haman:

Thema: Re: pseudoscience

Nachricht: I can explain to you why the sun "rolls from east to west", I can explain to you how and why the rain falls, I can explain how the earth formed, where the galaxy came from and how life started, but you'll always find a small crack to squeeze your god in.
So instead I will ask you a question, a simple straight question:

why do we have to believe in god? what does god benefit from my worship? why does a good person who believes in god go to heaven and a good person who doesn't believe go to hell?

Harun:

Hei, as i said all these signs are His the proof of His existency. Allah let us to know the process   known as the scientific process.

So if you can explain it was good. Just because you can explain the process does not mean God not behinds of all these stuff.

but still none can explain how could big bang started, by dense energy? then how could energy exist at the beginning? what was exatly the most beginner?  God, why not?  

God creates us in this world to worship Him. and He sent 124000 prophets to tell us how to worship, what is the consequency  of obedience and opposition?  no make sense we just come to this world to become old and die. then why we dont kill our self earlier instead of waiting until old?

it is not fair the evil and the decent are not rewarded.         

qaum Tsamud:

Thema: Re: ignorant

Nachricht: okay..
so, you're calling me ignorant and childish.. again
I've been trying to get you to understand a simple point for what? 15 messages? and you still don't get it.
I haven't rejected your evidence, because you haven't given any.
Every piece of "evidence" you gave me was either a verse from quran, or something muhammad said, or a story about an event so huge that every civilization on the planet didn't take the time to record it.

you keep making assertion without supporting them "hindu believed in allah", "all religious books are altered by evil priests", "moon splitting is in Indian history", "paul heard devil sounds",...
You just don't understand that only gullible people would believe something you say without asking for your sources, and I'm not that kind of person.

and what you said about be being a typical kafir is ( and sorry for using words that are too big for your non-childlike conversation skills) ironically correct.
the typical kafir will not accept everything any random person will tell them just because it feels good, and then you wonder why we are rejecting your "evidence"? it's because they're NOT evidence.

but why am I wasting my time repeating that? if you knew what evidence is, you wouldn't be a muslim.
before you start calling people ignorant, educate yourself a little, it takes some effort, but it's worth it.
At least you won't be making a fool out of yourself everytime you type something
stop wondering why you get thumbs down and read what you type

Nabi Saleh:

you lie, big lie, the evidence of God are sun rolls from east to the west, rain fall, etc. who maka all this stuff?
nature, evolution, unidentified object, spagehtey monster?
not!
Allah make them all.
Allah creates you from drop cement and suddenly you become a dissident creature. do you think you created naturally? not Allah creates all in process, and we call them as a scientific process.
so many things in this world hardly explained, such as pesudo science hipnotic, middle brain activation, telepathy, teleportation, vision, ghost, sixth sense etc.
evenless Allah. Allah introduces Himself by science.
In hereafter He will ask you, why you didnt believe while I gave you brain? in order you use it to think?
you dont need tons of books and evidences. eventhought you see hell you will never believe. never.
eventhougth a book sent down to your hand from sky and you read it directly, then you will keep saying it is a fake.
"We shall show them Our portents on the horizons and within themselves until it will be manifest unto them that it is the Truth. Doth not thy Lord suffice, since He is Witness over all things? (53) How! Are they still in doubt about the meeting with their Lord? Lo! Is not He surrounding all things? "

bani israel:

Thema: Re: Taqdir

Nachricht: IMPORTANT
Please do not answer until you read the entire message.

"the answer of verses is verses."
that's correct, when we are discussing an idea in the quran, verses are acceptable, but when the discussion is about the validity of the quran, why the quran is true, then quranic verses aren't going to prove the authority of the quran or the existence of god, that's circular logic.

Example:
let's say I believe The Lord of the Rings is a literal story.
Now you come and ask me, "what's the difference between Sauron and Saruman?" I can give you an answer from the story like "Suron is a demon who lives in Mordor and Saruman is a wizard who lives in Isengard", and that's acceptable because the context of the question is the story itself.
But when you ask me, "How do you know Gandalf is real?", and I answered "Gandalf said: You Shall not pass!" that's not proof.
quoting the story itself doesn't prove that it happened, the same goes for the quran, if you say "the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve" you haven't proven the existence of god, you need something from outside the quran to do that.

Anyway, since we seem to be going in circles, I have an idea.

in your next message, please answer:
1- Do you agree with the example? if not, why?
2- Do you mind if I try to direct the conversation for a while? we'll go through every point we discussed in our conversation but we will focus on a single point at a time.

musa:

did i post verses for God's evidences? nope.

you said

[if you say "the truth from the Lord of you (all). Then whosoever will, let him believe, and whosoever will, let him disbelieve" you haven't proven the existence of god, you need something from outside the quran to do that.]

who are you banning my view? you are merely an ignorant young guy, who just free from the parents. 

you give movie example, how childish you are.

i said, you will never stop asking evidence one by one, and every i show evidences you request another one.

one i can say, you are a tipical kafir. enjoy it. 

Abu JAhal:

Thema: Re: desperate coptic

Nachricht: "i know u r a desperate koptic"
you really don't read my messages, do you?
how did you conclude that I am a coptic? I said I am an atheist, and in another message I said I have no intention to defend christianity because I think all religion is pointless without evidence for god.

"dont use your brain mere for toilet sex and money"
what's with you people always thinking that anyone why doesn't believe in your god must be living for sex and money? I have a full life, there's nothing missing it it, and I don't need to live my life based on the assumption that there is an after life.
if god was a just god, he would have seen that I'm living a life of benefit to others and not harming anyone, why would a god need our worship? what would he gain? if we can live our lives in harmony with other people, what's the use of doing gymnastics and repeating the same words five times every day? would god feel sad and unneeded if I didn't pray to him? are we just created so that he can get his ego polished 24/7? even if such a god exists, I refuse to worship it, because doing so will only gain me an eternity of groveling ass kissing.

and why do you keep repeating that all religion is altered? how do you know that? I know your prophet says that, but how do you know he wasn't lying? don't give me a quote from the quran, because muhammad made the quran, it took him 23 years and he could have put into it whatever he needed to support his big scam.

and don't get me started about quran "science"

abu bakar:

Allah has 99 behaviours. Some of them are "weird" such as: a great arrogance (mutakabbirin), a deciever, a torturer, a delayer, distressor, etc.
God not merely has confenient behaviour. He is a great love otherwise He is a great torturer etc.
you may worship Him or deny, depend on you.
How do i know? because i have knowledge on religions.
"dont give me a quran verses"
that's why i avoid posting quran verses at the first discussion, while you know my blog full of quran verses.
UNTIL
you keep posting verses and verses from quran.
did i post a single verse before?
because i know u will deny it.
but you still post that verses about Taqdir.
now, stop asking quran verses because the answer of verses is verses.
quran is a scientific book.

qaum luth:

Thema: Re: He just gives you a time and process

Nachricht: "Allah doesn't let you astray"
so are you saying Allah is a liar?
allah said many times that he leads people astray, that he hardens their hearts, and constricts their chests to the message of islam,
"So whoever Allah wants to guide - He expands his breast to [contain] Islam; and whoever He wants to misguide - He makes his breast tight and constricted" (6:125)

"And whoever Allah leaves astray - never will you find for him a way."(4:143)

"Whoever Allah guides - he is the [rightly] guided; and whoever He sends astray - it is those who are the losers."(7:178)

"And whoever Allah guides - he is the [rightly] guided; and whoever He sends astray - you will never find for them protectors besides Him"(17:97)

"If Allah helps you, none can overcome you; and if He forsakes you, who is there after Him that can help you?" (3:160)

"Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.
Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment." (2:6-7)

So, god says one thing, you say the exact opposite, one of you is not telling the truth, which one?

is it possible that you are one of the people this verse is about:

"And whoever is blinded from remembrance of the Most Merciful - We appoint for him a devil, and he is to him a companion.
And indeed, the devils avert them from the way while they THINK that they are [rightly] guided"(43:36-37)

Nabi Luth:

Allah gives us brain to think. we are free to choose. we always choose bad and wrong in our daily life, but why we dont use it to choose the true path?
true is exist because wrong exist.
"Lo! this is an Admonishment, that whosoever will may choose a way unto his Lord."
you may choose guided or deny.
" On the day when their faces are turned over in the Fire, they say: Oh, would that we had obeyed Allah and had obeyed His messenger! "
I am the warner. listen to me, obey me and follow my warning. Allah will guide u if you want, but if you wont then Allah let you be kafr. which one do you choose, kafir or believe?
you chose kafir, ok Allah waits you for until you get sakratul maut.
otherwise if you wish submited then Allah will guide you. simple.
you are free in this world. note, only in this world. but the consequency of your deeds will be accounted.

my qaum:

Thema: Re: sincerely

Nachricht: saying that the event is in indian history is not evidence because I can say it's not in indian history and now it's your word against my word.
what counts as evidence is that you find the part in indian history where it speaks about the moon being split in half and giving a link or at least a book name. No one will believe you if you keep saying things without evidence, everyone can do that, and people lie if you haven't noticed.

"of course people around the world witnessed this miracle. but they didnt record it on documentations."
that's nonsense, many civilizations mapped the stars, the recorded the location of every single star they could see, so why would they not record such major event? and since they haven't recorded it, how do you know they saw it???
you're not making any sense.

anyway, by "last message" I meant the message filled with verses from the quran, don't worry if you missed it, I have our entire conversation in text, I can just send it again if you want.
so if you don't have it, tell me so I can send it again, otherwise, explain to me why you think allah is not telling the truth and you (or anyone including myself) can help me since allah is leading me astray?

crying Noah:

The old manuscript in the 'India Office Library' contains several other details about King Chakrawati Farmas and his travel. Chakrawati Farmas, King of Malabar in India, WITNESSED the splitting of the moon. i wont give u many evidences while you deny them as usual. the evidence is not really useful for anyone.

the best one is submiting sincerely. 

if i provide others document then you will request more. 

Allah doesnot let you astray. He just gives you a time and process.

therefore one day you will be a great muslim. many people like you, even more dissident than you, but they found islam. so i do not worry. 

qaum Saba:

Thema: Re: the job of prophets

Nachricht: did you not read the verses I sent to you?
if god is leading me astray, then no one can help me, even a great prophet like you.
Don't you believe that the quran is true? was god lying when he gave muhammad these verses?

read the last message again

Hud:

i am sure one day you will be guided to the true path. dont be cast down. keep learning sincerely.

Nabathea:

Thema: Re: angel Munkar and Nakeer

Nachricht: "during isra' miraj the history reported the proof behind it"
what history? were there any witnesses? he said he went to heaven and talked to god, and superstitious people believed him, that's not strange considering they believed the eclipse was a result of an angel hiding the sun. You don't take historical evidence from anyone, unless you also believe the world is carried by a giant turtle floating into an endless sea. There are people called historians who record history from an unbiased point of view, give me the account of an unbiased historian about Isra' and mirage and I'll believe it.

and about the moon being split in half, where do you see this story? on muslim sites of course (if not, give me a source, unproved assertions should and will be dismissed), do you think the moon only appears in india? or that other countries see other moons?
It is the same moon all over the world, so if the moon was split in half, it should be recorded by many civilizations. The Mayans, the Egyptians, the Greek,.. they all were obsessed with cosmology, they mapped the stars, they recorded the when a star appeared or disappeared, I think they would have noticed a grand event as the moon being split in half.
but only the indian king saw it? there is a word for a person seeing strange things that no one else sees, it's called "hallucination".
Give me a record of ANY non-muslim civilization who saw the moon being split in half and I'll believe it.
and stop making plain assertions, EVIDENCE

Nabi Idris:
all histories we have today came from ancient documents. what is the different  between history of plato, nebukatnezar, cleopatra stories and hadith?
the king during splitting moon era available on indian history, not from islamic source. of course people around the world witnessed this miracle. but they didnt record it on documentations.
i wont find a next evidence while you always deny them.
you are very similiar with previous ummah "give me evidence, .."

then when they saw evidence they mocked them even against back the prophet massively.