i UYOB you said this ("Alif. Lam Mim (1) This Book whereof there is no doubt, is a guidance unto the God-fearing. ") Is this book you talk about with no doubt. Your opinion, Your belief, your hope., your faith? Why do all the other religions not agree with you UYOB? Do you know something they don't? Or could it be they know something you don't? Or could all what all you say only be your beliefs? Again buddy for the umpteeth time Beliefs don't = facts take care
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i hope you leave this world (die) as a non muslim. i love to see you in the judgement day:
"Alif. Lam. Ra. These are verses of the Scripture and a plain Reading. (1) It may be that those who disbelieve wish ardently that they were Muslims. (2) Let them eat and enjoy life, and let (false) hope beguile them. They will come to know! "

"Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet Muhammad mentioned...While sleeping near the Ka'ba last night, I saw in my dream a man of brown color the best one can see amongst brown color and his hair was long that it fell between his shoulders. His hair was lank and water was dribbling from his head and he was placing his hands on the shoulders of two men while circumambulating the Kaba. I asked, 'Who is this?' They replied, 'This is Jesus, son of Mary."
in other sources:
"Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "On the night of my Ascension to Heaven...I saw Jesus who was of average height with red face as if he had just come out of a bathroom."

God is a glorification of mystery, NOT and expalination.
"Allah will bestow a vast reward on those who fight in religious wars."
"Have no unbelieving friends. Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them."
"Christians will be burned in the Fire."
"Allah will torment those who deny his revelations."
"When nonbelievers die, the angels will deliver to them doom and degradation."
"The worst beasts in Allah's sight are the disbelievers."
"Fight the disbelievers and hypocrites. Be harsh with them. They are all going to hell anyway."
"Fight disbelievers who are near you, and let them see the harshness in you."
"Those who oppose Islam and disbelieve in the Hereafter are guilty of the greatest wrong."
"Allah could have led everyone to the truth, but he chose not to."
"Allah intends to burn people in hell."
"Every person alive at the time of the flood was evil. So Allah drowned them all."
"Whoever thinks that Allah will not give Muhammad victory should go hang himself."
"Never help disbelievers."
"Allah will taunt Christians on the day of their doom, saying: Where are My partners whom ye magined?"
"Allah will tear Christians apart for ascribing partners to him."
"Allah makes the deeds of unbelievers fruitless."
"Allah sends whoever he wants astray.


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you twist the verses translation to suit your lust
God is a glorification of mystery, NOT and expalination.

*God is not miystery, Islam explain it properly

i hope you die as a non muslim. i love to see you in the judgment day.

"Lo! Those who disbelieve Our revelations, We shall expose them to the Fire. As often as their skins are consumed We shall exchange them for fresh skins that they may taste the torment. Lo! Allah is ever Mighty, Wise."

"Alif. Lam. Ra. These are verses of the Scripture and a plain Reading. (1) It may be that those who disbelieve wish ardently that they were Muslims. (2) Let them eat and enjoy life, and let (false) hope beguile them. They will come to know! "

A servant [of Allah's] committed a sin and said: O Allah, forgive me my sin. And He (glorified and exalted be He) said: My servant has committed a sin and has known that he has a Lord who forgives sins and punishes for them. Then he sinned again and said: O Lord, forgive me my sin. And He (glorified and exalted be He) said: My servant has committed a sin and has known that he has a Lord who forgives sins and punishes for them. Then he sinned again and said: O Lord, forgive me my sin. And He (glorified and exalted be He) said: My servant has committed a sin and has known that he has a Lord who forgives sins 
and punishes for sins. Do what you wish, for I have forgiven you.




Abu Ayyub Ansari reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: If you were not to commit sins, Allah would have swept you out of existence and would have replaced you by another people who have committed sin, and then asked forgiveness from Allah, and He would have granted them pardon. (Book #037, Hadith #6621)

Hi UYOB you said this ( Prophet said: The Angels have interceded, and the Prophets have interceded, and the believers have
interceded, and none remain except the Most Merciful of the Merciful. He will then grasp a handful from the Fire, taking out those who had not done a single virtuous act, and who had been turned to charcoal. He will then put them into a river of life at entrance of Paradise, called Nahar-ul-Hayat (the River of Life). Let me ask you UYOB did that prophecy happen yet? Of course it hasn't. it is only a belief you have. there is no fact to what you say other than your belief it will happen. Why is it you don't see that what you said here is again only written by man, You will say Catholics are wrong as well as Mormons, Jehovah witness. Christians. You will say they are all wrong only your beliefs are true. See I can be a prophet too lol. Again buddy you can believe what you like but you have no proof just as all the other religions have no proof but think they are the one true religion. Take care


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Resurrection, people will be gathered. They will have no clothes.  Aisha asked, "O Prophet of Allah! Won't they look at one another?" The Prophetresponded: "O Aisha! On that day, people will be in a hurry and worry. They will have no time to think about being naked or other people being naked.
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The Holy Qur'an is the living miracle bestowed by Allah upon Prophet Muhammad and this, Allah's Book, was revealed to him through the Angel(Gabriel). Today 1400 years have passed and nobody has been able to change a single letter or produce its imitation, as it is said in the Qur'an [Surah Hijr,15:9]:

"Verily We: It is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur'an) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)." 

UYOB Can't you see what you are saying is all beliefs. Beliefs do not make facts, Proof makes facts. It is nice that you can convince yourself that what you believe is fact. You keep backing up those beliefs with more beliefs. when do you finally go through all the beliefs and get to the actual truth? you have nothing to prove your beliefs. Only scriptures which were written by man not god. You are no different that anybody else UYOB. You are human (flesh and blood) just like me. Like a kid supernatural things make sense to you. To me they do not make sense.
How do you know if your god is all good, all knowing, all powerful, and perfect?? You have only books which tell you these things are true. You don't have the resources at your feet to know if your god is those things. You only take mans words that they are true. You believe man to be truth tellers. You think because a book tells you that it is truth you automatically believe it must be so. You believe when you don't have an explanation for something you make it be god and that fills the void of understanding you need. You cannot say You don't know how everything happened in the beginning. If you did then you would be losing your faith. Why is it UYOB that some of the heads of religions will say their belief about god and their religion is only beliefs. But you have to say what you believe is absolute truth. Do you think every body but your religion is wrong???
Take care


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" Disbelieve ye verily in Him Who created the earth in two Days, and ascribe ye unto Him rivals? He (and none else) is the Lord of the Worlds. (9) He placed therein firm hills rising above it, and blessed it and measured therein its sustenance in four Days, alike for (all) who ask; (10) Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth: Come both of you, willingly or loth. They said: We come, obedient."
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"Alif. Lam Mim (1) This Book whereof there is no doubt, is a guidance unto the God-fearing. "
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Prophet said , “I swear by The One in Whose Hand my soul is, if you saw what I saw you would laugh little, and cry excessively”, people said, ‘O Prophet of Allaah! What did you see?’ He replied, “I saw Paradise and Hell”
Prophet said, “I warn you of the Fire, I warn you of the Fire” until his over garment fell from his shoulders to his feet’. He also said, “Do not forget the two great things, do not forget the two great things: Paradise and Hell”. Then he said while crying, "I swear by The One in Whose Hand the soul of Muhammad is, if you know what I know, you would climb the mountains and pour dust on your heads (out of fear)"

Hi you said this (*God creates the universe from the beginning until know, the skies still expand.) Ok let me explain again for you. What was around before the big bang? Was there a sky full of bricks, cork walls, one door after another door. or was there nothingness? YOu seem like an intelligent person. CAn't you see before the big bang there was nothing. That nothing was where your god was supposed to have put the universe. It is a tie for who has been here the longest, your god or nothingness. If you say god was here first then didn't he need a place to be? If he doesn't need a place to be then he doesn't exist. Show me one thing which exists and doesn't have a place for where it exists?
You said (Message: Humans learned to speak because they are more intelligent than animal
*Yeah, God teachs us. Wrong god did not teach us to talk. We taught ourselves to talk
YOu said (Why must you say it was a god
*so who? we have the answer, God, how about you?) Wrong again Use your brain what you have is a answer. Can you prove your answer to be true? Why do you think you know all the other possibilities of how the universe could have happened and proved them wrong? Science will come up with more and more reasons how it wasn't god who created the universe. Science has already shown what the ingredients for life is. And they will find life on other planets very soon Take care


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It is narrated in al-Bukhari from Jareer al-Bajali that he said: "We were with the Prophet on a full moon night. He looked at the moon and said, 'You will certainly see your Lord as you see this moon, and there will be no trouble in seeing Him'".

Imams Bukhari narrated on the authority of Abu Hurairah that the people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" The Prophet said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the moon on a fullmoon night?" The said, "No, O Allah's Apostle". He said, "Do you have any difficulty in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They said, "No, O Allah's Apostle". He said, "So you willsee Him, like that."

You know what Use your own brain (*become a muslim, then you will know the answer) That is exactly the same thing every religion says. If you want to know the true answers become a :Christian, Catholic, Mormon, Hindu, Jehovah witness, Muslim, Can they all be the only true religion? Or is yours the only true religion? lol
YOu never stop and take a look at what you believe and why you believe it to be true. You simply believe what you are told to believe. And tell yourself that you are right. Being Muslim you should understand about having a huge ego. Just as all the others have with their religions Huge egos. You know why Use your own brain? It is because you and they all have a need to believe you are right and the others are wrong.
Some day it would be nice if you found out the difference between knowing something and believing something. Right now you do not know the difference You need to have that inflated ego because you would not know what to do if you found out there was no god.
TAke care


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Prophet said: The Angels have interceded, and the Prophets have interceded, and the believers have
interceded, and none remain except the Most Merciful of the Merciful. He will then grasp a handful from the Fire, taking out those who had not done a single virtuous act, and who had been turned to charcoal. He will then put them into a river of life at entrance of Paradise, called Nahar-ul-Hayat (the River of Life).
They will be revived like the seedlings that sprout in the silt carried by a flood. And they will come forth like pearls; around their necks shall be straps of gold. The dwellers of Paradise will recognize them by these straps as those whom Allah had released from the Fire and made to enter Paradise without having done any good deed. Then Allah will say to them: Enter into Paradise, and whatever you have seen is yours. So they will say: 0 our Rabb! You have given us what none was given in the world! He will reply: For you I have
something better than this. They will say: 0 our Rabb! What could be better than this? He will then reply: My Pleasure, and now I will never be angry with you. (Hadith)

ibne-Husain narrates that prophet said: A group of people will come out of the Fire by the intercession of Muhammad Sallalliihu 'alaihi wasallam and enter Paradise; they will be called the
Jahannamin (people of Hell)

 HI UYOB you said (This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt) See again you tell stories. To me and millions of others there is doubt about the scriptures. So see UYOB you tell untruths again Just because you like the supernatural like a kid does doesn't mean the supernatural actually exists. I cannot prove it doesn't exist and you cannot prove it does exist.l So now that leaves us with what our beliefs are correct? You believe there is a supernatural and i only believe a supernatural is a possibility. We don't know who is correct and who isn't correct. But you try and tell me that you are the one who is correct. You have no proof yet you keep insisting that you know for fact. Again you are like a little child who believes if he believes hard enough then his beliefs will come true. That UYOB is what we call wishful thinking. Maybe some day you will grow up enough to see that your life is only based on beliefs just as my life is and everybody else's life is. Folks who believe in god must believe in magic. I don't believe in magic. I believe there is always a reason of how something happens YOu believe that things can happen because a god snaps his fingers just like the illusionists do here on earth.
Magic is a word used when folks don't have a rational explanation of how something happens Take care


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Prophet said , “I swear by The One in Whose Hand my soul is, if you saw what I saw you would laugh little, and cry excessively”, people said, ‘O Prophet of Allaah! What did you see?’ He replied, “I saw Paradise and Hell”
Prophet said, “I warn you of the Fire, I warn you of the Fire” until his over garment fell from his shoulders to his feet’. He also said, “Do not forget the two great things, do not forget the two great things: Paradise and Hell”. Then he said while crying, "I swear by The One in Whose Hand the soul of Muhammad is, if you know what I know, you would climb the mountains and pour dust on your heads (out of fear)"

Well use your head I can see that you have no idea what I am talking about, Ive tried and tried, maybe itis the language berrier we seem to have. But I can tell you do not understand what rational thinking is. you only understand logical thinking. I tried to explain the difference to you but you don't seem to comprehend anything I say lol.
You believe beliefs are facts, I believe beliefs are only beliefs. You believe faith can equal fact, I say faith can only equal belief. You say you know the only true religion, I say there is no one true religion. You say god shows himself by the things he supposedly created. I say we don't know how the universe was created. You need to have an after life. I don't need to have one. You do not have an open mind because you are blinded by your faith. I am not blinded by faith because i understand god is only a belief not fact. You rather live within the supernatural world where anythng is can be true if you imagine it to be true. I rather live in the physical world where rational thinking is used in stead of imagination. You believe in a god who you know nothing about. I believe a god is possiblt. You believe the words of man descrilbes how god is. I believe man has no idea how god is if there is one You believe god is all loving, all powerful, all knowing, You have nothing to back that up with except more beliefs.
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you need learn islam
just because you are a desperated christians not means all religions are fake.
if leave this world as an atheist then your life will end in hell, ethernal, forever.
become a muslim right now.
i give you a quran link, may it help
http://www.quranexplorer.com/Quran/Default.aspx

reflect it.
there were 124000 prophets sent by Allah to this world.
from Adam until prophet Muhammad.
every nation has its own prophet.
but most of the people deny them. so Allah punished them in the world and hereafter.
pray this:
Oh who ever out there show me the true religion.
i dont know, guide me
dont let me die as a  non believer

then Allah will show you the truth
try it
if not, you are not different with animal. same. live in this world only for popp, eat and sex.

Hi use your brain you said this (*God teachs human being language. even you cant prove how could human able to speak while animals cant?) You are being silly here Use your brain. Humans learned to speak because they are more intelligent than animal. You said (who create this wide universe? the energy or bigbang or who? let we call it as The Super Power, the Great Smartest, but religion call it as GOD. do you think bigbang can perform it own self the beautiful creations? look around you. do you want God appear in the sky and say hello? we have brain. thats why animals do not go to hell nor heaven because they dont be blessed with brains ) Again Use your own brain you are making things up. The only truth we know for fact is we don't know how the universe happened. The result of the big bang is every thing you see. Why must you say it was a god when you really don't have any kind of proof what so ever. It is only because you don't have an explanation why you say it must be a god. Do you really believe you are more intelligent than anybody and you have already figured it out lol? Saying it was god is only an excuse because you don't know how it actually happened. But don't feel badly (use your own brain) Millions of people believe in god for the same reason you do, (Because they don't have an other explanation.) I don't either, but I don't just throw my hands up and say; (well since I don't know how the universe happened then it must be a god) Take care




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Humans learned to speak because they are more intelligent than animal
*Yeah, God teachs us

Why must you say it was a god
*so who? we have the answer, God, how about you?

 It is only because you don't have an explanation why you say it must be a god
*you sound like kid. you dont believe in God because you dont see Him. good.

 Do you really believe you are more intelligent than anybody
*we dont need tobe an intelegent to know things created by someone.

But don't feel badly Millions of people believe in god for the same reason you do
*i am happy one of the believers. eventhought not a proper believer. you must also believe in God.

I don't either, but I don't just throw my hands up and say
*become a muslim, then you will know the answer.

Hi Use your brain I don't believe the bible was ever true. YOu said (*which proof do you want? do you want God appears in the sky?) Use your own brain) You are confused. Having faith in something does not mean that something is true. If i tell you I have faith there is no god does that mean that god doesn't exist??. Faith doesn't prove anything other than you believe in something. You are only using an idea and calling it fact. You look around you and see a god. I look around me and I see stars and planets and flowers, and many wonders of the world. This all happened through evolution, You are easy to convince about a god. You have a need and a desire to believe in something which there is no evidence. In your mind you live in the supernatural world where you can believe anything without any true evidence. YOu believe because you are told to believe, you take human words and say they are fact. You don't understand any more that to have absolute fact you need absolute proof. You have thrown away your rational mind and filled it with one of fantasy things which cannot be proved or disproved and then say you are right and I am wrong. You don't know any more about a god than I do. You only know what books have told you. Sure you may have much more knowledge about your god but that knowledge has been given to you by more men. you call them prophets but they don't have prophecies fulfilled. Science does not confirm any of them. You want to know why continued




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You are confused

*you the confused one

Having faith in something does not mean that something is true
*yes, for false faith. absolutly

If i tell you I have faith there is no god does that mean that god doesn't exist?
*prove it , you cant

Faith doesn't prove anything other than you believe in something
*yes false faith. but the true faith prove it

This all happened through evolution
*yes, and God behind the evolution, we call it as process. everything need process, even our a cup of coffee.

You are easy to convince about a god
*you talking about agnostic. i am not an agnostic.

You have a need and a desire to believe in something which there is no evidence
*what evidence do you want?

In your mind you live in the supernatural world
*yes, you must also believe it

YOu believe because you are told to believe
*because it is true

you take human words
*yes we call it prophet. he brought true teaching.

You don't understand any more that to have absolute fact you need absolute proof
*you are circulate in this non sense view. i guess you are a teen.sound you have no knowledge in religion. you live in western environment, that see life just for eat, sex and toilet. poor.

filled it with one of fantasy things which cannot be proved

*the nature is a vivid proof. i ask you who create the nature?

You don't know any more about a god than I do

*I know God has 99 attitudes.He created the heavens and the earth, and had appointed darkness and light. He created you from clay, and decreed a term for you. Yet still doubt! He knows both your secret and your utterance, and what you earn

You only know what books have told you
*yes, true quran, have you read quran? nope. so the discussion will be lame. i try explain the kid about the truth but he still sturborn. poor.

they don't have prophecies fulfilled
*prophet said: the arafah desert will be greening, the arab baduin will build high building. etc

Science does not confirm any of them
*you are so proud about science while you still in yunior high scholl? can you solve all math problems? nope.


i invite you at least become a muslim. we have to pin poitn our dusicussion abotu islam. the God discussion is over, because i told you the sense answer but you still sturborn.
ask me about islam, what make you doubt. i know you were a chirstian, and out give up from church. now, islam is the truth, what your heart looking for.

continued It is because there is no evidence. Not the kind of evidence you talk about which is by looking and because you don't know how things happen you give up the real world and tell yourself that since you don't know how it all happened it must be god and that is your evidence.
Science does not accept what you call evidence as evidence. They call it only believing something which has no evidence to support it. God doesn't have any evidence at all to support he exists. You are like a little kid who has invisible friends who he sees in his mind and talks to them. We tell our children that those are only make believe friends and they usually grow out of believing in invisible friends until they get grown up and start believing in other invisible friends called God and the HS. So believing in god and the HS is only reverting back to being a kid again and living in a fantasy land called The supernatural.. Can you disprove anything i said here??
The only thing you can tell me is you don't believe me and you only belief in your own man made beliefs. Which you have absolutely no evidence your beliefs are true.
Again I don't know how the universe happened. But I can tell you one thing for sure is that before the big bang there was nothing for an infinite amount of time just as there will always be nothing again for an infinite amount of time. God could not have created this nothingness it has been here as long as he has Take care


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 because there is no evidence. 
*this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CSyxwkZ7Uc8


it must be god 
*we will never see God in this world. but in here after we will see Him clearly

Science does not accept what you call evidence as evidence.
*quran states the skies and the earth were joined together in one entity thenGod forcibly disintegrated them. it is bigbang theori 

like a little kid who has invisible friends who he sees in his mind and talks to them
*kid also popp and pee. yeah all of us like kid

believing in god and the HS is only reverting back to being a kid again and living in a fantasy land called The supernatural
*we know the life after death base on religion scripture

you only belief in your own man made beliefs
*the true belief. can you disprove the true belief is not true? just because you desperated from church not means true religion is not exist. i know most western blondies tend to be an atheists due to found weird teaching in xtianity. poor them, and then they tend be an athesits. tehats why we never heard muslims be an atheist.

I don't know how the universe happened.
*i know

the big bang there was nothing for an infinite amount of time just as there will always be nothing again for an infinite amount of time.
*none knows the bigbang starter

God could not have created this nothingness
*God creates the universe from the beginning until know, the skies still expand

ask me about the part of religion. dont just stagn in evidence, proof etc. look, we will never see angels, God in this dirty world. but they will vivid visionable in hereafter, the time when our new belief will be uncounted anymore.

 Or how about The idea that a president never uses a double? That is political do you believe it is a fact? Your idea of what are facts to me are so far off, And like a child you take what man says and say it is fact. To me that is sad. I mean no disrespect to you sir. But It is very easy to see you are very much governed by what man says. and the things you cannot explain you create a supernatural place where anything you say cannot be shown as not true.
The things science understands to be true, can be shown why they believe this. The supernatural maybe nothing more than wishful thinking like many children do to fill up any explanations they may need. Religious folks are not able to admit what they believe about god and religion is only a belief. They need to have that false confidence and inflated ego by telling others they know for fact god exists and the bible is true. Those who believe they know god exists cannot use common sense and admit that god is only a belief because admitting this they believe would be lessening their faith in god. Fear is the main ingredient for believing in a religion. Whether it is fear of facing death as the final stage of life. Or fear of winding up in hell. People are still very primitive when it comes to their insecurities about and after life.
Like you they have a desire to live more than the life they have now. Tell me what is so bad about not existing after death? Do you have an answer? TAke care


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 Or how about The idea that a president never uses a double? 
*i dont get it


like a child you take what man says and say it is fact.
*faith and fact. i learn i use my own brain. and i see, reflect, and soon.


you are very much governed by what man says.
*who was 'man' you mean?


 you cannot explain you create a supernatural place where anything you say cannot be shown as not true.
*I can, very vivid


The things science understands to be true, can be shown why they believe this.
*if we can prove/see it then it is not called faith anymore, rather than a vision


 The supernatural maybe nothing more than wishful thinking 
*you say 'maybe'. it is you. as i said. faith not base on i think


 Religious folks are not able to admit what they believe about god
*yes, false religion you mean. of course if you base on xtianity or Thaoism, tehn you will be desperated.


 They need to have that false confidence and inflated ego by telling others they know for fact god exists and the bible is true. 
*as i said, again and again, bible christians is false. their book already altered, the verses therein are all no make sense. that's why you be an atheist, i understand you


Fear is the main ingredient for believing in a religion
*belief base on fear and hope


People are still very primitive
* yeah, we still popp and commit sex intercourse, the primitive habit of us


they have a desire to live more than the life they have now.
*of course, the smartest one is who prepare their life after death


 Tell me what is so bad about not existing after death? 
*we cant avoid it. everyone will face life after death. except animals.

Hi use your brain you said this (Faith does not = fact.
*fact and faith. so many stuff we cant cover in this world, we call them as pseudoscience. the simple one, who create energy at the first? where the started triggering came from at the beginning of big bang exploiding? even science cant explain it.) Why does (we don't know how the universe happened interpret to it must have been god)? To believe how you do That it had to be a god who did it all. Is not any kind of science it is only speculation. Speculation may have nothing to do with the truth. Tell me Use your brain Why is it you want to believe a super entity is responsible for everything? Is it because you need to have some kind of answer so you create one? (meaning a god) Tell me where the idea of a god doing is not man made? Folks believe they need to know how it all happened so they create a supernatural realm when they can create anything at all, And of course it cannot be challenged as proof because there is nothing to test the idea of god
You said (give me or yourself any absolute proof?
*such what? you may choose one of them. historical, politic, social, verses, science, contardiction, which one?) I see you are the kind of person who is very gullible and can make something a fact to you even when there is no way to test it. Is it a fact to you that the earth will be here tomorrow? I am pretty sure you will say yes. continued


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Is not any kind of science it is only speculation. 
*faith, not speculation. speculation refers to what will happen. universe already created, not will be created instead.
Tell me Use your brain Why is it you want to believe a super entity is responsible for everything? 
*because it is very logic.
so you create one? 
*i follow the faith, the true faith not create my own imagination
Tell me where the idea of a god doing is not man made? 
*which idea of God theory you dont like?the idea of God comes from true religion
there is nothing to test the idea of god
*His creations. God introduces Himself by nature
Is it a fact to you that the earth will be here tomorrow? I am pretty sure you will say yes.
*the earth will be destroyed when  its time come. 

Hi Use your brain You said (*the true One God only True God. Not others. if there any God along with Him; else would each God have assuredly championed that which he created, and some of them would assuredly have overcome others.) If there were no other gods why would the god of the bible tell us it is a sin to have any other gods NOt just idols but other gods. And why would the god of the bible need to be worshiped and praised, and loved, every single day? Those needs are human needs not of a perfect god. Those needs show insecurity not perfection. To me you like millions of others are convincing your self that because we don't have an explanation of how the universe happened we automatically assume it had to be a higher power. NO matter how much religious study you have done it will not answer exactly how the universe happened. If you are truthful you will understand that any god is a belief. Not a fact. You don't understand that for you to say for fact you experience god you would have to know every capability of our brain. Science will tell you we have barely scratched the surface. Which means there are many other open possibilities which you choose not to think about because your beliefs will not allow you to do so. You say for me not to take mans words for things yet each and every word you use about your god is made by man. Isn't that hypocritical? I would think you understand that to have absolute fact you must also have absolute proof. you do not, TC


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why would the god of the bible tell us it is a sin to have any other gods NOt just idols but other gods.
*yes it is a great sin. the greatest sin ever.


why would the god of the bible need to be worshiped and praised, and loved, every single day?
*He doesnt need it. rahter than we need our own worshiping. Hi, i dont accept the bible gosple as a true holy book, it is already altered by men. The true bible is no longer exist


 because we don't have an explanation of how the universe happened we automatically assume it had to be a higher power. 
* we call it as a super power. may be you call it as energy? so call him as The Energy God, almighty. why not?
many other open possibilities which you choose not to think about because your beliefs will not allow you to do so. 
*in my religion it is free to think, except one think: never think who create God, and how the face of God


You say for me not to take mans words for things yet each and every word you use about your god is made by man. Isn't that hypocritical? 
*i never said that. 
 you must also have absolute proof. you do not
*which proof do you want? do you want God appears in the sky?

Hi Use your brain you said (*the approved book you mean. Bible is not the true book anymore, nor veda, nor taurat.) When was it ever approved, and who did the approving? It again had to be man. You live your life on mans word just as much as I do lol. Man made language. God did not make language
Does it bother you at all that science is forever getting closer and closer as what it takes for life to have happened? Do you believe there is or is not life on other planets? Notice I said believe because just as with god you cannot know if there is or isn't life on other planets.
It strikes me funny when Believers in god tell atheist they cannot know there isn't a god existing. But then turn right around and tell atheists they know for absolute fact a god exists. Use your Brain You cannot even prove to yourself that god is absolute fact.
Let me give you a philosophy question. This question it not to believe or dis believe it is true. What it does do is shows us that we cannot know anything for absolute fact. Here is the question
(Can you prove to yourself that you are or are not dreaming everything which is happening around and to you?) In this dream the question is asking about, has every and all beliefs you can come up with as to why it is not true that you are dreaming everything. This is not a trick question. But it is one which cannot be proved or disproved which means nothing else can be proved or disproved if you cannot show proof of this TC


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 who did the approving? It again had to be man.
*yes by man, and they were true.


Man made language. God did not make language
*God teachs human being language. even you cant prove how could human able to speak while animals cant?  


Does it bother you at all that science is forever getting closer and closer as what it takes for life to have happened? 
*i love science. and my religion is very compatible with.
Do you believe there is or is not life on other planets? 


*i dont know, about the raw creatures in other planets. but i believe in UFO or aliens
You cannot even prove to yourself that god is absolute fact.
*who create this wide universe? the energy or bigbang or who? let we call it as The Super Power, the Great Smartest, but religion call it  as GOD. do you think bigbang can perform it own self the beautiful creations? look around you. do you want God appear in the sky and say hello? we have brain. thats why animals do not go to hell nor heaven because they dont be blessed with brains (intelectuality)


Can you prove to yourself that you are or are not dreaming everything which is happening around and to you?
*this life in the world just a dream, the real life, is in hereafter. when ones find their death means they wake from their sleeping up. michael jackson, osama, ronald reagen are waking up now.  while we still sleep. had you watch 'The Others' movie? 


nothing else can be proved or disproved if you cannot show proof of this
*of course i, personally, cant provide you all proofs. some proven, and the left let as a faith.then we will be saved, at least, we hope. rather than not. what if after life is real?

Hi again and you said this (you close your mind, not me. because i know the religion better than you do. you just base on i think i think i think) I agree you most likely do have more knowledge about your religion than I do. But all the knowledge in the world you have about your religion still does not make it true. (The Reason) (Because it is all said by man) You keep saying for me not to trust man but you are doing the exact same thing about your religious beliefs Each and every belief you have is said by man. Some how you want me to believe that you what you know about your religion is from god, and anything I believe is from man.
You can make any excuses you like about what you convince your self about. But in order for something to be absolute fact there has to be absolute proof. Can you give me or yourself any absolute proof? Not possible buddy. If you believe you can then sorry but you don't understand what is and what is not absolute fact or absolute proof But don't worry most religious folks believe they know for absolute fact about god's existence also.
Faith does not = fact. (absolute proof = absolute fact) Faith only leads you to the idea that you can know things without proof. Take care


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likely do have more knowledge about your religion than I do
*not only my religion, but most of all i know:bahaism, sikhsm, budhism etc


your religion still does not make it true.
*which is one in my religion is not true? all stuff in my religion scientific proven


 Because it is all said by man
*by Highest being to man (prophet)


every belief you have is said by man
*by man and it is true


anything I believe is from man.
*we able to test the truth, very easy, you can do it


give me or yourself any absolute proof? 
*such what? you may choose one of them. historical, politic, social, verses, science, contardiction, which one?




Faith does not = fact.
*fact and faith. so many stuff we cant cover in this world, we call them as pseudoscience. the simple one, who create energy at the first? where the started triggering came from at the beginning of big bang exploiding? even science cant explain it.


you can know things without proof
*not everything able to be proven. how telephaty worked?how about the verses on the baby skin performed (in russia)?. we cant explain it.

Hi Use your brain You said this (The supernatural doesn't make sense to some of us
*just because you cant prove the supranatural, and you say they are not exist?) No I cannot say the supernatural doesn't exists for fact, any more than you can say the supernatural does exist for fact. It is all only beliefs use your brain. With your name here on this site (Use your brain) You should do just that (USE YOUR OWN BRAIN) You seem like an intelligent guy How can you say god and the bible are truths beyond belief?? You also need to understand when you open the door to a the supernatural, you are opening the door to anything being possible not just the idea of god. But you also need to understand that in the supernatural there can be millions of gods and millions of evil deities, You cannot just close the supernatural door after you have only one idea about only one god. The supernatural is much more than a place for only one god. Just because you haven't heard of these other millions of possible gods and evil deities certainly doesn't mean they are not there just because a book tells you there is only one god. Don't you see how close minded that is?
Like I say Use your brain I have no idea if my beliefs are factual. and I can say the say for you buddy you can only believe your beliefs are factual. Remember we only have (concepts, perceptions, interpretations, conjecture, theories, beliefs and thoughts) They are only forms of beliefs that's it nothing more TC




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any more than you can say the supernatural does exist for fact.
*indeed

With your name here on this site (Use your brain)
*let we use our brain, together

You seem like an intelligent guy
*all of us intelligent

How can you say god and the bible are truths beyond belief??
*bible , as i said, once true. but not anymore

anything being possible not just the idea of god.
*thats we need a guidance, scripture, we just not say i think i think

there can be millions of gods and millions of evil deities
*the true One God only True God. Not others. if there any God along with Him; else would each God have assuredly championed that which he created, and some of them would assuredly have overcome others.

you haven't heard of these other millions of possible gods and evil deities
*i answer it just above. True God is true God, whatever we call Him, FSM, yahweh, Tuhan, Allah, God, Gott, all antion call Him in their own language/tribal

just because a book tells you there is only one god.
*the approved book you mean. Bible is not the true book anymore, nor veda, nor taurat.

Don't you see how close minded that is?
*you close your mind, not me. because i know the religion better than you do. you just base on i think i think i think

*They are only forms of beliefs that's it nothing more
there are many beliefs, but they are wrong . the goers suppose use their brains and open their eyes. in order to they guided, not astray instead

HI Use your brain You said this ( He sent scriptures revealed as the truth. God raised up the skies without visible supports, compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth to an appointed term, God detailet the revelations, that haply we may be certain of the meeting with Him.) Just what scriptures are revealed as truth Use your brain? Are they truth to only you or are they truth to science? Is there any evidence you can give to support your claims. I have a site which will dispute and give sources for every scripture you believe is truth to show you why there is no proof of what they say is truth. The only one which millions of bible believers say is how you can tell the bible is absolutely true with every word is The one where Israel has become nation in 1948, is that one. But of course the bible didn't include the date.
You said (Thus God punish every ingrate. And they will cry for help there, our Lord, release us, we will do right, not the wrong that we used to do. And God will say did not I grand you a life long enough to reflect therein? And the warner came to you? Now taste for evil doers have no helper.) Yes doesn't that show just how loving your god is? He is so loving he is going to send folks to hell for an eternity even if they led very good and loving lives while they were alive. You don't understand that in order to believe in something this something must first make sense to you. The supernatural doesn't make sense to some of us TC




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Just what scriptures are revealed as truth ?
*what wrong in the scripture? non single mistaken the verses in holy scripture. 
 Are they truth to only you or are they truth to science?
*scripture and science are compatible
 Is there any evidence you can give to support your claims. 
*the history, sites, science, and logic.
I have a site which will dispute and give sources for every scripture you believe is truth to show you why there is no proof of what they say is truth. 
*all scriptures once from the true One God. The documentation was the matter. most of them already altered.
The only one which millions of bible believers say is how you can tell the bible is absolutely true with every word is The one where Israel has become nation in 1948, is that one.
* bible once was true, and no longer as a holy stuff. most of the verses therein were altered and edited. But it still from the true One God
Yes doesn't that show just how loving your god is?
*God not merely Loving, but also Angrier. He also the Great Punisher.
 The supernatural doesn't make sense to some of us
*just because you cant prove the supranatural, and you say they are not exist?

Hi use your brain Do you really believe god would want you to believe in him because the alternative maybe hell lol.? I just don't think he would appreciate that. Also have you ever asked yourself why your god would want you to worship him, praise him, and only him? If you applied these things to anyone on earth you would say they are very insecure to need worship and praise and to tell you to only worship him. Of course I don't know how god thinks but neither does anyone else.
If you stand outside some very clear night way out in the country you can see all the millions and millions of stars. Earth is such a small planet and we are so much smaller that we cannot be noticed from space without satellites. We are so insignificantly small when compared to the whole universe. Yet we have such huge egos that we think that a god would care so much for us.. You must remember that a perfect god would not need anything including worship, praise, or even love. These are mans idea of what we think a god would like.
BTW what would be so bad if there is no afterlife? if you become non-existent after you die, you would not ever know it as well as you would be as peaceful as you could be.
The only evidence folks have about god existence is all in their minds. there is nothing testable about god or the supernatural Take care




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you answer your own question: we just a dust in this wide universe. who we are, so arrogance, look how weak we are. God doesnt need us, otherwise we need Him. He provides rewards for our praising. is it wrong God want us to worship? God creates all natures therefore we able to reflect Him. He sent scriptures that which is revealed as the Truth, but most of mankind deny it. God raised up the skies without visible supports, compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth unto an appointed term, God detailet the revelations, that haply we may be certain of the meeting with Him. He spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein two spouses (male and female). He covers the night with the day. for those who disbelieve, for them is fire of hell. it taketh not complete effect upon them so that they can die, nor is its torment lightened for them. Thus God punish every ingrate. And they will cry for help there, our Lord, release us, we will do right, not the wrong that we used to do. And God will say did not I grand you a life long enough to reflect therein? And the warner came to you? Now taste for evil-doers have no helper.

Nachricht: Hi use your brain thanks for your reply this is part of what you said (the saved one is believing in the highest being exist in out there.) What do you base that on? I mean we can believe anything we like but why do you say (the saved ones are those who believe in god?? I hope you are not going to use a book which tells you that. I am sure you realize that god is based on a belief which has all these other beliefs you must believe in also. The beliefs go on for ever with no apparent evidence of it being true.
take care


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ha ha ha dont worry i always avoid using verses and hadith in discussion. our discussion recorded on  this
http://heavenandhellcale.blogspot.com/
i mean it is better we, at least pretend, believe rather than not. what if afterlife and hell is actually exist? Is wrong to believe in the highest one? look this universe so complex. our body and all the nature. it must be someone behind. God of course will introduce Himself by process nature therefore we may praise Him by the knowledge. We say night, days, flora etc are nature, but what if  they are the way God introduces Himself to human kind? God will not appear in sky and show His face directly. God want us worship and praise be upon Him. He sent prophets to show the way and His rules. the worshiping for ourself actually. He provides rewards in hereafter. were is Hitler or the humble people now? it is not fair during live commited evils while they dont get punishment, or otherwise, the patient the poor the humble people dont be rewarded.

Hi use your brain thanks for your reply. How do you think the big bang happened, and why? I can tell you i don't know how it happened. But at the same time just because I do not know how it happened doesn't meant I should believe a god did it. There are many unexplored possibilities and many more that haven't been discovered yet which may hold the answer. To me just because I don't know how it happened I shouldn't automatically believe a higher power did it. It seems all down through the ages when we get stuck about a question we automatically assume a higher power must have been the cause. Also down through the ages each one of those god's have beens shown they were only made up from our human minds? I am wondering why eventually this god would be any different. I am agnostic atheist so I believe a god is possible but don't believe he would be anything like the bible or any of the other holy books describe him to be. Take care


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None scientists able to explain what ignite the massif nucleus of big bang did. nor we cant explain how energy created or destroyed. 
the saved one is believing in the highest being exist in out there. 
once all old religions were true. God sent prophets to every nations. but the documentation was the matter.  bible and veda and tripitaka were true holy books, but already altered.