Hi Use your brain You said (*the true One God only True God. Not others. if there any God along with Him; else would each God have assuredly championed that which he created, and some of them would assuredly have overcome others.) If there were no other gods why would the god of the bible tell us it is a sin to have any other gods NOt just idols but other gods. And why would the god of the bible need to be worshiped and praised, and loved, every single day? Those needs are human needs not of a perfect god. Those needs show insecurity not perfection. To me you like millions of others are convincing your self that because we don't have an explanation of how the universe happened we automatically assume it had to be a higher power. NO matter how much religious study you have done it will not answer exactly how the universe happened. If you are truthful you will understand that any god is a belief. Not a fact. You don't understand that for you to say for fact you experience god you would have to know every capability of our brain. Science will tell you we have barely scratched the surface. Which means there are many other open possibilities which you choose not to think about because your beliefs will not allow you to do so. You say for me not to take mans words for things yet each and every word you use about your god is made by man. Isn't that hypocritical? I would think you understand that to have absolute fact you must also have absolute proof. you do not, TC


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why would the god of the bible tell us it is a sin to have any other gods NOt just idols but other gods.
*yes it is a great sin. the greatest sin ever.


why would the god of the bible need to be worshiped and praised, and loved, every single day?
*He doesnt need it. rahter than we need our own worshiping. Hi, i dont accept the bible gosple as a true holy book, it is already altered by men. The true bible is no longer exist


 because we don't have an explanation of how the universe happened we automatically assume it had to be a higher power. 
* we call it as a super power. may be you call it as energy? so call him as The Energy God, almighty. why not?
many other open possibilities which you choose not to think about because your beliefs will not allow you to do so. 
*in my religion it is free to think, except one think: never think who create God, and how the face of God


You say for me not to take mans words for things yet each and every word you use about your god is made by man. Isn't that hypocritical? 
*i never said that. 
 you must also have absolute proof. you do not
*which proof do you want? do you want God appears in the sky?

Hi Use your brain you said (*the approved book you mean. Bible is not the true book anymore, nor veda, nor taurat.) When was it ever approved, and who did the approving? It again had to be man. You live your life on mans word just as much as I do lol. Man made language. God did not make language
Does it bother you at all that science is forever getting closer and closer as what it takes for life to have happened? Do you believe there is or is not life on other planets? Notice I said believe because just as with god you cannot know if there is or isn't life on other planets.
It strikes me funny when Believers in god tell atheist they cannot know there isn't a god existing. But then turn right around and tell atheists they know for absolute fact a god exists. Use your Brain You cannot even prove to yourself that god is absolute fact.
Let me give you a philosophy question. This question it not to believe or dis believe it is true. What it does do is shows us that we cannot know anything for absolute fact. Here is the question
(Can you prove to yourself that you are or are not dreaming everything which is happening around and to you?) In this dream the question is asking about, has every and all beliefs you can come up with as to why it is not true that you are dreaming everything. This is not a trick question. But it is one which cannot be proved or disproved which means nothing else can be proved or disproved if you cannot show proof of this TC


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 who did the approving? It again had to be man.
*yes by man, and they were true.


Man made language. God did not make language
*God teachs human being language. even you cant prove how could human able to speak while animals cant?  


Does it bother you at all that science is forever getting closer and closer as what it takes for life to have happened? 
*i love science. and my religion is very compatible with.
Do you believe there is or is not life on other planets? 


*i dont know, about the raw creatures in other planets. but i believe in UFO or aliens
You cannot even prove to yourself that god is absolute fact.
*who create this wide universe? the energy or bigbang or who? let we call it as The Super Power, the Great Smartest, but religion call it  as GOD. do you think bigbang can perform it own self the beautiful creations? look around you. do you want God appear in the sky and say hello? we have brain. thats why animals do not go to hell nor heaven because they dont be blessed with brains (intelectuality)


Can you prove to yourself that you are or are not dreaming everything which is happening around and to you?
*this life in the world just a dream, the real life, is in hereafter. when ones find their death means they wake from their sleeping up. michael jackson, osama, ronald reagen are waking up now.  while we still sleep. had you watch 'The Others' movie? 


nothing else can be proved or disproved if you cannot show proof of this
*of course i, personally, cant provide you all proofs. some proven, and the left let as a faith.then we will be saved, at least, we hope. rather than not. what if after life is real?

Hi again and you said this (you close your mind, not me. because i know the religion better than you do. you just base on i think i think i think) I agree you most likely do have more knowledge about your religion than I do. But all the knowledge in the world you have about your religion still does not make it true. (The Reason) (Because it is all said by man) You keep saying for me not to trust man but you are doing the exact same thing about your religious beliefs Each and every belief you have is said by man. Some how you want me to believe that you what you know about your religion is from god, and anything I believe is from man.
You can make any excuses you like about what you convince your self about. But in order for something to be absolute fact there has to be absolute proof. Can you give me or yourself any absolute proof? Not possible buddy. If you believe you can then sorry but you don't understand what is and what is not absolute fact or absolute proof But don't worry most religious folks believe they know for absolute fact about god's existence also.
Faith does not = fact. (absolute proof = absolute fact) Faith only leads you to the idea that you can know things without proof. Take care


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likely do have more knowledge about your religion than I do
*not only my religion, but most of all i know:bahaism, sikhsm, budhism etc


your religion still does not make it true.
*which is one in my religion is not true? all stuff in my religion scientific proven


 Because it is all said by man
*by Highest being to man (prophet)


every belief you have is said by man
*by man and it is true


anything I believe is from man.
*we able to test the truth, very easy, you can do it


give me or yourself any absolute proof? 
*such what? you may choose one of them. historical, politic, social, verses, science, contardiction, which one?




Faith does not = fact.
*fact and faith. so many stuff we cant cover in this world, we call them as pseudoscience. the simple one, who create energy at the first? where the started triggering came from at the beginning of big bang exploiding? even science cant explain it.


you can know things without proof
*not everything able to be proven. how telephaty worked?how about the verses on the baby skin performed (in russia)?. we cant explain it.

Hi Use your brain You said this (The supernatural doesn't make sense to some of us
*just because you cant prove the supranatural, and you say they are not exist?) No I cannot say the supernatural doesn't exists for fact, any more than you can say the supernatural does exist for fact. It is all only beliefs use your brain. With your name here on this site (Use your brain) You should do just that (USE YOUR OWN BRAIN) You seem like an intelligent guy How can you say god and the bible are truths beyond belief?? You also need to understand when you open the door to a the supernatural, you are opening the door to anything being possible not just the idea of god. But you also need to understand that in the supernatural there can be millions of gods and millions of evil deities, You cannot just close the supernatural door after you have only one idea about only one god. The supernatural is much more than a place for only one god. Just because you haven't heard of these other millions of possible gods and evil deities certainly doesn't mean they are not there just because a book tells you there is only one god. Don't you see how close minded that is?
Like I say Use your brain I have no idea if my beliefs are factual. and I can say the say for you buddy you can only believe your beliefs are factual. Remember we only have (concepts, perceptions, interpretations, conjecture, theories, beliefs and thoughts) They are only forms of beliefs that's it nothing more TC




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any more than you can say the supernatural does exist for fact.
*indeed

With your name here on this site (Use your brain)
*let we use our brain, together

You seem like an intelligent guy
*all of us intelligent

How can you say god and the bible are truths beyond belief??
*bible , as i said, once true. but not anymore

anything being possible not just the idea of god.
*thats we need a guidance, scripture, we just not say i think i think

there can be millions of gods and millions of evil deities
*the true One God only True God. Not others. if there any God along with Him; else would each God have assuredly championed that which he created, and some of them would assuredly have overcome others.

you haven't heard of these other millions of possible gods and evil deities
*i answer it just above. True God is true God, whatever we call Him, FSM, yahweh, Tuhan, Allah, God, Gott, all antion call Him in their own language/tribal

just because a book tells you there is only one god.
*the approved book you mean. Bible is not the true book anymore, nor veda, nor taurat.

Don't you see how close minded that is?
*you close your mind, not me. because i know the religion better than you do. you just base on i think i think i think

*They are only forms of beliefs that's it nothing more
there are many beliefs, but they are wrong . the goers suppose use their brains and open their eyes. in order to they guided, not astray instead

HI Use your brain You said this ( He sent scriptures revealed as the truth. God raised up the skies without visible supports, compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth to an appointed term, God detailet the revelations, that haply we may be certain of the meeting with Him.) Just what scriptures are revealed as truth Use your brain? Are they truth to only you or are they truth to science? Is there any evidence you can give to support your claims. I have a site which will dispute and give sources for every scripture you believe is truth to show you why there is no proof of what they say is truth. The only one which millions of bible believers say is how you can tell the bible is absolutely true with every word is The one where Israel has become nation in 1948, is that one. But of course the bible didn't include the date.
You said (Thus God punish every ingrate. And they will cry for help there, our Lord, release us, we will do right, not the wrong that we used to do. And God will say did not I grand you a life long enough to reflect therein? And the warner came to you? Now taste for evil doers have no helper.) Yes doesn't that show just how loving your god is? He is so loving he is going to send folks to hell for an eternity even if they led very good and loving lives while they were alive. You don't understand that in order to believe in something this something must first make sense to you. The supernatural doesn't make sense to some of us TC




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Just what scriptures are revealed as truth ?
*what wrong in the scripture? non single mistaken the verses in holy scripture. 
 Are they truth to only you or are they truth to science?
*scripture and science are compatible
 Is there any evidence you can give to support your claims. 
*the history, sites, science, and logic.
I have a site which will dispute and give sources for every scripture you believe is truth to show you why there is no proof of what they say is truth. 
*all scriptures once from the true One God. The documentation was the matter. most of them already altered.
The only one which millions of bible believers say is how you can tell the bible is absolutely true with every word is The one where Israel has become nation in 1948, is that one.
* bible once was true, and no longer as a holy stuff. most of the verses therein were altered and edited. But it still from the true One God
Yes doesn't that show just how loving your god is?
*God not merely Loving, but also Angrier. He also the Great Punisher.
 The supernatural doesn't make sense to some of us
*just because you cant prove the supranatural, and you say they are not exist?

Hi use your brain Do you really believe god would want you to believe in him because the alternative maybe hell lol.? I just don't think he would appreciate that. Also have you ever asked yourself why your god would want you to worship him, praise him, and only him? If you applied these things to anyone on earth you would say they are very insecure to need worship and praise and to tell you to only worship him. Of course I don't know how god thinks but neither does anyone else.
If you stand outside some very clear night way out in the country you can see all the millions and millions of stars. Earth is such a small planet and we are so much smaller that we cannot be noticed from space without satellites. We are so insignificantly small when compared to the whole universe. Yet we have such huge egos that we think that a god would care so much for us.. You must remember that a perfect god would not need anything including worship, praise, or even love. These are mans idea of what we think a god would like.
BTW what would be so bad if there is no afterlife? if you become non-existent after you die, you would not ever know it as well as you would be as peaceful as you could be.
The only evidence folks have about god existence is all in their minds. there is nothing testable about god or the supernatural Take care




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you answer your own question: we just a dust in this wide universe. who we are, so arrogance, look how weak we are. God doesnt need us, otherwise we need Him. He provides rewards for our praising. is it wrong God want us to worship? God creates all natures therefore we able to reflect Him. He sent scriptures that which is revealed as the Truth, but most of mankind deny it. God raised up the skies without visible supports, compelled the sun and the moon to be of service, each runneth unto an appointed term, God detailet the revelations, that haply we may be certain of the meeting with Him. He spread out the earth and placed therein firm hills and flowing streams, and of all fruits He placed therein two spouses (male and female). He covers the night with the day. for those who disbelieve, for them is fire of hell. it taketh not complete effect upon them so that they can die, nor is its torment lightened for them. Thus God punish every ingrate. And they will cry for help there, our Lord, release us, we will do right, not the wrong that we used to do. And God will say did not I grand you a life long enough to reflect therein? And the warner came to you? Now taste for evil-doers have no helper.

Nachricht: Hi use your brain thanks for your reply this is part of what you said (the saved one is believing in the highest being exist in out there.) What do you base that on? I mean we can believe anything we like but why do you say (the saved ones are those who believe in god?? I hope you are not going to use a book which tells you that. I am sure you realize that god is based on a belief which has all these other beliefs you must believe in also. The beliefs go on for ever with no apparent evidence of it being true.
take care


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ha ha ha dont worry i always avoid using verses and hadith in discussion. our discussion recorded on  this
http://heavenandhellcale.blogspot.com/
i mean it is better we, at least pretend, believe rather than not. what if afterlife and hell is actually exist? Is wrong to believe in the highest one? look this universe so complex. our body and all the nature. it must be someone behind. God of course will introduce Himself by process nature therefore we may praise Him by the knowledge. We say night, days, flora etc are nature, but what if  they are the way God introduces Himself to human kind? God will not appear in sky and show His face directly. God want us worship and praise be upon Him. He sent prophets to show the way and His rules. the worshiping for ourself actually. He provides rewards in hereafter. were is Hitler or the humble people now? it is not fair during live commited evils while they dont get punishment, or otherwise, the patient the poor the humble people dont be rewarded.