poor destiny:

Thema: Re: 12 companions (al hawariyyun)

Nachricht: "picture represents 1000 words."
and a wrong picture represents a 1000 wrong words. As I said, google will give you any picture with the same tags as the words you searched. Do not assume that every picture is giving accurate information, and please don't make me repeat myself about wikipedia.
Learn how to search for correct information, not everything on the internet is correct.

"the era before paper and ink known widely, everyone easy to announce false scripture and admit it as the holybook."
that is not true, paper was used by the chinese and egyptians thousands of years before jesus, and by the time the bible was being written, paper was abundant, the Roman empire recorded its entire history on paper, the library of alexandria contained hundreds of thousands of books and scrolls.
I wouldn't accuse you of lying, but you're clearly talking about things you're not knowledgeable or misinformed about.

"the companions of jesus recorded and typed the enjeel but sadly altered later on by evil priests."
1- no, they didn't type anything, computers and typewriters didn't exist back then.
2- how do you know it's altered? and PLEASE don't tell me "because muhammad/quran said so", as I told you before, muhammad will not say he is a false prophet, muhammad will not say that he is wrong and paul is right.
if you want to prove one of them against the other you have to use an external, unbiased source.
If you can't understand this simple point, then we better not waste our time anymore

darussalam:

that picture taken from budhist temple in thailand. unfuortunately blonde people twist budhism from deity to undeity. very evil. 

internet provides both wrong and correct information.

of course paper already invented, but not widely used. and it was easily dissappear.

the enjeel kept in temple (churches) by evil priests. and later on they twisted the verses and reproduced it to the new one. it was very easy at the time.

the discovered scrolls were the altered one. the original scripture did not exist anymore since thousansd years ago. how a pity. the bible in hebrew today or in greece not same  a hundred years ago. the language is the matter. and of course to translate it the evil priests changed many chapters and verses.

i read a book few years ago written by an ex priest. he spent alot of time to discover the meaning of son of man, comforter etc. and he found that bible has been changed massively

it is very easy to find the mistakens and contradictions in bible.

not only muslims said that. all people in the world know bible has already edited and changed.

just type in google, shockingly you ll find tons of them. 

i smell  a guy will convert, maybe this is the first time in my life convert a guy to islam. hopefully.

zabaniyah:

A vision of Buddhist hell from a temple wall in northern Thailand.

naraka on google image!

Nachricht: "i dont like use wiki pedia. everyone able to play the data of wikipedia."
And Google Images is a better source for knowledge? Google doesn't understand what you are searching for, if I upload a picture about spiders on a site and call it "naraka", google will give you this image when you search for naraka.
And wikipedia isn't a site where you can edit and run, there are moderators who check recently edited pages, you have to cite your sources for every bit of information you mention, that's why you see these symbols [1], and you'll find a warning on any paragraph that has not enough citations.

"7 layers not atmosphere. how dumm this view. very stupid"
that's not my view, that's what the other muslim told me. But that's irrelevant to our conversation any way, you still haven't answered my questions.

ridwan:

in google images naraka depicted base on original budhism arts and hindu also. picture representates 1000 words.

as i say that muslim guy is stupid. once i heard it also from a young muslim. he said moon lies in outside of the 7 layers. how stupid. 

 there are many stupid people nothing to do with their faith.   skip it.

i have already gave you the key word how to find the corelation between paul and the invention of son of god.

lukas, petrus, matius, etc never said that. they (12 persons of alhawariuun) were the companions of jesus. they recorded and typed the enjeel but sadly altered later on by evil priests.

the era before paper and ink known widely, everyone easy to  announce false scripture and admit it as the holybook.     

paul was the founder of christians as we see today.

use my keywords as i gave you.

Against:

why are you hiding?

Message: you seemed very enthusiastic at first, but then you just stopped the moment I asked you a simple question, why?
I also noticed you didn't put my last message on your discussion blog, why?

so now, instead of one question, you have three to answer, I'll be waiting..

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qaum quraesy:

Re: budhism worship god

Nachricht: The buddhist concept of nirvana is not the same as your heaven filled with virgins and rivers of wine and boy servants.
nirvana is a state of mind reached when you meditate and become one with the universe through clearing your mind of its attachment to the material world, not by worshiping a god and praying to him and memorizing a book written centuries ago. In fact, buddha himself says, "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

"naraka" in buddhism is not hell, or at least not the muslim concept of hell, it is not a place of eternal suffering, it is a place of purification, you suffer there until you have paid your "debt" to karma and then you go free
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naraka#In_Buddhism

you need to read from other sources, not only muslim ones. Just because they're muslim sites, doesn't mean they won't lie to you. In fact, they are more likely to lie to you if it proves a point they're making.
an example of this was when I was discussing with a muslim how the seven layers of the atmosphere was mentioned in the quran, she gave me a site where they mention the aya, and then list 7 layers claiming they're layers of the atmosphere.
Simply by going to wikipedia, it turns out the last two layers are not part of the atmosphere, or even of earth itself.
you need to double check what you read before saying "Ma Sha Allah" and accepting it as a miracle

prophet muhammad:

naraka not base on islamic foretold. you may type naraka in google image, and see your self. 

do it!

western blonde today are desperate christians, they tend to seek new religion namely budhis. because in budhism they find nothing rules nor prohitions. 

they want become God to theirself.

i know budhism not from islam. there are many old budhis (not stars budhist like richard gere) and hindu around me.

budhism in the west known as un deity. it is totally wrong. why they dont take a look how budhism pray?

budhism is a religion. not a philosophy.

7 layers not atmosphere. how dumm this view. very stupid. it is coincidental 7 layers of atm with heavens (sky).

no one able to reach   the second layer of  sky (second sky).

"the first sky compared with the second sky just like a ring in the an unlimited desert" (prophet said)

i dont like use wiki pedia. everyone able to play the data of wikipedia.

  

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please remain on the subject

Nachricht: I answered you last message about buddhism, but that doesn't mean that we should be sidetracked from our main discussion.

In a recent message, I asked you two questions in addition to my first one about paul vs. muhammad.
please address those questions before we can continue any further discussion

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doa doa in islam

http://www.muslimsforum.com/index.php?topic=147.0

discuss with Hannah B

question

Hello!

I was browsing through the r&s board and noticed the question: "Question about Jesus" and I couldn't help noticing your answer. You said: "jesus never said he was gods son. never."

I think you were probably thinking of something else because Jesus actually did say he was God's son. Here is the scripture so you can see for yourself.

John 10:32-38.

32 Jesus replied to them: “I displayed to YOU many fine works from the Father. For which of those works are YOU stoning me?” 33 The Jews answered him: “We are stoning you, not for a fine work, but for blasphemy, even because you, although being a man, make yourself a god.” 34 Jesus answered them: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said: “YOU are gods”’? 35 If he called ‘gods’ those against whom the word of God came, and yet the Scripture cannot be nullified, 36 do YOU say to me whom the Father sanctified and dispatched into the world, ‘You blaspheme,’ because I said, I am God’s Son? 37 If I am not doing the works of my Father, do not believe me. 38 But if I am doing them, even though YOU do not believe me, believe the works, in order that YOU may come to know and may continue knowing that the Father is in union with me and I am in union with the Father.”

It's amazing how we can learn something new everyday, isn't it? Anyway, you can keep that for future reference if you'd like. Have a good day!

Hannah B.

Response

since we base on our own scripture then we wont accept other's view.
What make him so special rather than moses, abraham, noah, mohammad, etc?
all prophets have their own exelences and miracles.
He was not a son of God at all according to my faith. and judaishm also.
while we know he lived during jews era.
none of jews approve that
he indeed uniqly born without biological father
but it was  so easy by God to create what ever He wish