arrogance:
That doesn't give me anything, I need to know your sources to know how I can address them, you said you read books, what are these books?


humble:

of course i cant remember excatly the books i read. eventhought i tell you, likely you will not read it.
however internet provides information better and even vary than books
i just can help you by the keywords:
paul-heard-voice-sky-son of god-jews-alkahfy-cave-first christian

shatan:

 before I answer more of your claims, I want to know where you get your information, they're VERY inaccurate (if not straightforward lies), just send me a link if you can

angel:

 do you think all my knowledege regard to religion(s) get from internet?

 you are wrong totally.

i love to read books.

 most of them the translation from egypt books, some from westerns etc.

kuffar:

jesus didnt say a name, but he meant paul

Nachricht: 1st of all, I'm not an Indian, I'm an Arab.
I'm not a hindu, I'm an atheist, I'm just using hinduism as an example so you can understand that there's no difference in validity between your religion and the hindu religion, but you just don't seem to get it.
You insist that muhammad is the last prophet because muhammad says so, and that's a logical fallacy called circular logic.
I'm not judging islam based on the people (although it's totally fair, you don't see buddhists burning embassies, destroying historic statues and declaring jihads), I'm judging islam based on how crude and repetitive the quran is.


when jesus spoke about false prophets, he used plural (prophetS) not singular, and he wasn't talking about Paul.
You should now clearly see the point I was trying to make throughout our conversation, Paul said that during one of his trips to Damascus, jesus appeared to him and guided him on his way to be his apostle to the gentiles (non-jews), and until the day he died by the decapitation, the holy spirit of god remained with him, providing guidance and bestowing on him the gift of divine revelation.
you said "the false prophets, one of them was Paul" and that paul was the dajjal.
So, now I want to ask you a question, based on what do you reject the revelation of paul and accept the revelation of muhammad?
when you answer this, I want you to provide reasons that were not spoken by muhammad (this applies to the quran too), as he will surely not say "I am a false prophet"

muslims:

None of the prophets nor jesus nor moses nor khrisna, sidharta said that such quote. it was original form p muhammad.

If you judge the religion base on the followers then you will never find the true relegion.

Plural dan singular hardly recognized in english nor arabic bible. it was already edited and altered. So no one able to find the true words that already mixed inside.

Paul introduced the son of god concept. He was the first christian officially. he was the first guy who worship man in christianity. That's why the 7 youths christian (al kahfi) who kept their pure nazraniyan far away to the remote place to kept their original faith. they avoid the polluted christianity faith. 

Re: khrisna and sidharta were prophets of Allah

Nachricht: how do you know that khrisna and sidharta were prophets of Allah? just because they speak about a god, doesn't mean it's yours.
if the hindu religion has the same god of islam, why did he tell them that their souls reincarnate again on earth after they die while he told you otherwise? there are many contradictions between islam and every other religion, they can't have come from the same god unless:
1- the god intends to confuse many of us and lead us astray by spreading false or contradictory beliefs
2- the god wanted us to have the same beliefs about him, but he failed at communication, meaning he either is not powerful or he doesn't care about us going to heaven or hell.

"Allah sent prophets to all nations:mayan, aborigin, java island, mongol, caucasian, norwegia,arab, israel, and africa"
just becuase you say he did, doesn't make it true. where's your evidence to that?
and even if he did send prophets to the entire world, he sent them with contradictory messages, he demanded human sacrifice from the aztec, he told the norse that he has a son who rides on a horse with six legs throwing thunderbolts at the enemies of the vikings, he told the jews that they are his chosen people but then he told the arabs that jews are pigs and monkeys, I know you'll say that it's because they betrayed god, but they follow their religious book (the torah) to the letter, even more strictly than most muslims.

and the proof you sent me is not "amazing", Mozart wrote his first sonata at age 4

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"why do you doubt islam ? "
I think you'll know the answer to this question if you've been on R&S for a week.
No evidence = no belief
until you prove that islam is true, I will not believe in it. Pretty simple, isn't it?

"actually prophet muhammad said: Allah sent 124000 prophets in this world. all old religions already altered"
which is a convenient way to explain how the majority of the world doesn't believe in his god.
John Smith, the founder of Mormonism, which teaches that god was a human like us and had parents on another planet, John said that his god sent a prophet to every people, including native americans, and that belief in any religion other than mormonism is an abomination and every holy book but his is a false text.
In short, every prophet will say the same, even jesus said that shortly after he leaves the world, false prophets will start rising claiming that they know him.

and about the numerical "miracles" you are fond of, they could have been easily made, remember that muhammad spent 23 years in Harra cave, it was not much of an accomplishment to come up with a book in 20 years where poets in his time could make up entire complicated poems on the spot and remember them for years and teach them to their apprentices, many poets were illiterate, reading and writing weren't necessary in the days of Jahilyya, they used oral tradition to record events, lineages and literature.
In fact, that's how the quran was kept until Abu Baker started collecting its ayas


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discussion religion

Against:
*Re: the last prophet is prophet Muhammad

Nachricht: jesus said before muhammad that false prophets will come after he leaves.
and you know that muhammad is the last prophet because he said so?
surely muhammad will not say that he's a false prophet, or that true prophets will come after him, every prophet will tell you he's the last prophet. jesus did, muhammad did, smith did and every "prophet" who will come will say the same thing.

"since you wont read quran and the biography of p muhammad then you will never find the truth."
and that's another claim that is made by every religion, "if you don't read [our holy book] you will not find the truth"
tell me, what other books besides the quran have you read? I'll answer it for you, NONE.
I know because I asked the same question to a muslim friend and he told me that it's haram to read the books of the kuffar.
and how do you know I haven't read the quran or the story of muhammad?
I live in an Arab country, I have been taught the entire history of islam in school, I've been taught quranic suras in literature classes and I read some of it myself, I found it very similar to the bible to the point of obvious copying in some parts, and no remarkable morality you can't find in previous cultures and religions.
if you have evidence to the contrary, present it.
but know one thing. if verses from the quran can prove islam is true, then verses from the vedas can prove that hinduism is true.
surely you can present evidence from outside the quran since islam is the true word of god, can't you?*

response
the false prophets, one of them was Paul. All prophets warned their followers about false prophets. "No one of prophets except warning their follower about Dajjal" said P Muhammad.
"The similitude of mine and that of the Apostles (before me) is that of a person who constructed a building and he built it fine and well and the people went round it saying: Never have we seen a building more imposing than this. but for one brick, and I am that brick (with which you give the finishing touch to the building)."
Jesus told his follower that there would be a prophet came to them. It is  in Song of King, Gospel. It is also in Veda and Tripitaka (Google)
I believe in gospel and torah and veda and tripitaka as the words from Allah. again, the documentation was the matter.

hajj Wada

The last sermon of the Prophet
This sermon was long and it contained much guidance and instructions on many issues. The Prophet-gave this sermon in front of a large gathering of people during Hajj.

Whosoever heard whatever part of the sermon reported it and later some scholars put it together. It is a great khutbah and we should all pay attention to its message and guidance. Following are the basic points mentioned in this khutbah:

O People
Lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefor listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People
Just as you regard this month, this day, this city as sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that He will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (interest); therefore all interest obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital, however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity.

Allah has Judged that there shall be no interest and that all interest due to Abbas Ibn ‘Abd al Muttalib (the Prophet's uncle) shall henceforth be waived.

Beware of Satan for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People
It is true that you have certain rights in regard to your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives, only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat you women well and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste.

O People
Listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat.

Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor a black has any superiority over a white- except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim, which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefor, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. People, no prophet or apostle will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well therefore, O people, and understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and the Sunnah (Hadith), and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listened to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed your message to your people."